Z28 Confirmed Canceled by GM
07-25-2008, 10:47 PM
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I can agree the GT500 KR is complete BS. Also, I seem to remember the camaro stopped eating stangs in 2003 when it was buried by the overpowering stang sales & you loyalists were left in the dark! Moreover, the COBRA was introduced & GM had no camaro to answer. As far as .25 times, the specs are released. The SS runs mid 13's & the GT's run high 13's..........I would hardly call that "beat to ****", more like slight. For the sake of your allegience to the camaro, pray the 5.0 400HP doesnt make its way into the GT lineup. Who compares a vette to a stang? This is the 2010 Camaro section & the word vette is irrelevant. Let me break it down for you. I will admit, the vette is untouchable as its in a league of its own (cost & performance). By this GM > Ford NOT Camaro > Stang. BTW, I consider the GTR as rice, so I am glad it fell to the Vette.
07-25-2008, 10:57 PM
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Dude why trash the Camaro, as far as weight the GT500 is a turd, with 500 ponies it should be in the 11's yet they are all over the place from 12.3 - 12.8. I think the SS is in direct compatition to the Challenger not the current Mustang, because the Current GT is lacking 122hp, 21st century technology platform, and it will be at least 5/10ths slower than the Camaro.
the Challenger SRT6 is starting at 38K and it's limited production, the Camaro SS will be the Top dog the First year and three times as many SS will be built over the SRT8.. the SS may be around 34K but what it has over the Mustang is well worth it.
Don't get me wrong I love my Mustang, and I will never get rid of it, but I also am loving the Camaro, for different reasons, some of what the Mustang is Missing, Power, Handling and Modability. those options are worth the added cost.
The LS3 with Cams, Intake Tune will see and extra 100hp you can't do that with a Mustang N/A, the engine is too small and it's OHC so without major work, heads, pistons you can't put 100hp cams in. the most you can see with stage 3 cams and springs is 30hp
the Challenger SRT6 is starting at 38K and it's limited production, the Camaro SS will be the Top dog the First year and three times as many SS will be built over the SRT8.. the SS may be around 34K but what it has over the Mustang is well worth it.
Don't get me wrong I love my Mustang, and I will never get rid of it, but I also am loving the Camaro, for different reasons, some of what the Mustang is Missing, Power, Handling and Modability. those options are worth the added cost.
The LS3 with Cams, Intake Tune will see and extra 100hp you can't do that with a Mustang N/A, the engine is too small and it's OHC so without major work, heads, pistons you can't put 100hp cams in. the most you can see with stage 3 cams and springs is 30hp
We get it 0000000 or whatever...you dont like the new Camaro...no matter how illogical your reasons why. Quit trying to force your views over the forum as a whole as though you were a supreme judge of cars.
07-25-2008, 11:05 PM
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Regarding performance, a stock 4th gen will hang with the new SS.....somethings not right there.
07-25-2008, 11:42 PM
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07-25-2008, 11:57 PM
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My .02... Y the fuchk can't ANYBODY build a 31-3300 lb SPORTSCAR WITH A BACK SEAT???
If this battleship of a 'camaro weighed in around the 3klb. mark...
1. You could use a smaller (more fuel efficient) motor... A turbo v-6 perhaps???
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
LOSE THE FATSO...... Look at the gas pump prices and build us something light AND fast, MAKE THE NEW Cobalt SS TURBO SEDAN RWD, REAR FRIKKIN' WHEEL DRIVE aka... FUN!!!
HEY GM... You hear this (POP!) That's what your heads would sound like should they EVER come out of your asses! (Or each others... whatever)
GAS IS $4+ a gallon!!!! DOH! The big engines and the bIIIIIg Camaro, (Challenger too...) MISSED THE GAME!
Sorry boys and I hate to say this but the MUSTANG IS in the game and showed up early to rake in moocho profito... Same as always... The v6 is a 'lil ripper FOR CHEAP!
I'm NOT a Ford guy and I'm NOT brand loyal but (GM LISTEN UP...) The definition of Insanity IS to repeat the same thing over and over expecting a different result..... KIN' U SAY GEE TEEE OHHH???
Only this time the fatal flaw is NOT the look but the economic swing with HIGH fuel prices and dismal mpg#s (I know they're great w/the manual for how... here we go again... BIIIIIIGGGG the car is...) How's the auto GTO's mpg? AH hahahahahaha.... What a Joke...
Maybe GM should.... just rebadge us some BMW 1 series cars with a bowtie and knock 10k off the sticker!!!!
I know... I should work in marketing for GM lol.
GM.... ANYBODY?????
GIVE US A 2700lb. REAR WHEEL DRIVE CAR WITH 200 hp n/a and 325 forced induction THAT GETS MID 20's city and 33 or so HIGHWAY!
Make it a 2 dr, a 4 dr AND A 'vert for the cali girls and rental fleets...
Make it like the old days with an option sheet to choose rearend gearing and hp levels... (I've always thought the whole LS1 bs w/ 3 rearend ratios depending on chosen trans and tires was BULLSHIT.)
Ok.. steppin' down from my soapbox NOW.
Thanks for reading my long rant!
If this battleship of a 'camaro weighed in around the 3klb. mark...
1. You could use a smaller (more fuel efficient) motor... A turbo v-6 perhaps???
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
LOSE THE FATSO...... Look at the gas pump prices and build us something light AND fast, MAKE THE NEW Cobalt SS TURBO SEDAN RWD, REAR FRIKKIN' WHEEL DRIVE aka... FUN!!!
HEY GM... You hear this (POP!) That's what your heads would sound like should they EVER come out of your asses! (Or each others... whatever)
GAS IS $4+ a gallon!!!! DOH! The big engines and the bIIIIIg Camaro, (Challenger too...) MISSED THE GAME!
Sorry boys and I hate to say this but the MUSTANG IS in the game and showed up early to rake in moocho profito... Same as always... The v6 is a 'lil ripper FOR CHEAP!
I'm NOT a Ford guy and I'm NOT brand loyal but (GM LISTEN UP...) The definition of Insanity IS to repeat the same thing over and over expecting a different result..... KIN' U SAY GEE TEEE OHHH???
Only this time the fatal flaw is NOT the look but the economic swing with HIGH fuel prices and dismal mpg#s (I know they're great w/the manual for how... here we go again... BIIIIIIGGGG the car is...) How's the auto GTO's mpg? AH hahahahahaha.... What a Joke...
Maybe GM should.... just rebadge us some BMW 1 series cars with a bowtie and knock 10k off the sticker!!!!
I know... I should work in marketing for GM lol.
GM.... ANYBODY?????
GIVE US A 2700lb. REAR WHEEL DRIVE CAR WITH 200 hp n/a and 325 forced induction THAT GETS MID 20's city and 33 or so HIGHWAY!
Make it a 2 dr, a 4 dr AND A 'vert for the cali girls and rental fleets...
Make it like the old days with an option sheet to choose rearend gearing and hp levels... (I've always thought the whole LS1 bs w/ 3 rearend ratios depending on chosen trans and tires was BULLSHIT.)
Ok.. steppin' down from my soapbox NOW.
Thanks for reading my long rant!
07-26-2008, 12:33 AM
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They've been working up a surprise for the past 5 fu*king years. How many times has the release date been changed, like 3 times? I'm getting sick of them changing EVERYTHING. I read something a few years ago that there'd be an RS, Z28, SS, AND ZL1. 
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07-26-2008, 12:38 AM
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Y the fuchk can't ANYBODY build a 31-3300 lb SPORTSCAR WITH A BACK SEAT???
If this battleship of a 'camaro weighed in around the 3klb. mark...
1. You could use a smaller (more fuel efficient) motor... A turbo v-6 perhaps???
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
If this battleship of a 'camaro weighed in around the 3klb. mark...
1. You could use a smaller (more fuel efficient) motor... A turbo v-6 perhaps???
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
Bye bye mustang! Only reason the mustang is "winning" is because it came out first while every other muscle car was either "dead" or being turned into a 4-door (wtf?). Therefore if someone wanted a new muscle car, its the mustang. GM was just sitting on their asses (shock?) doing whatever it is they're doing. I really don't think I care much anymore, lol , I got my 430HP T/A and i'm fine
07-26-2008, 12:47 AM
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WTF? When did the V6 model go up to 310 hp? First it was announced at 296. Then a few days later it was 300. Now its 310??? Guess by the end of next month the V6 will be keeping up with the SS.
07-26-2008, 01:26 AM
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BTW........000000000........why are you still hanging out in this section? Do you have ANY interest in the new Camaro? Or are you here just to see how many spit ***** you can make stick before they ban you? If you have useful insights, fine. But if all you're gonna do is make flamer statements to wrile up the locals, just go hang out in an Off Topic section somewhere. Seriously man, chill.
07-26-2008, 01:33 AM
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OMG...you keep amazing me with your grace post after post.
One sided? first of all this is ls1 tech. second, your posts arent exactly 3 dimensional.
It is interesting to see the responses? Dont you have anything better to do than go on an f-body site and post negative things in order to get your jolly's off at the reactions?
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.
One sided? first of all this is ls1 tech. second, your posts arent exactly 3 dimensional.
It is interesting to see the responses? Dont you have anything better to do than go on an f-body site and post negative things in order to get your jolly's off at the reactions?
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.
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07-26-2008, 08:53 AM
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OMG...you keep amazing me with your grace post after post.
One sided? first of all this is ls1 tech. second, your posts arent exactly 3 dimensional.
It is interesting to see the responses? Dont you have anything better to do than go on an f-body site and post negative things in order to get your jolly's off at the reactions?
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.
One sided? first of all this is ls1 tech. second, your posts arent exactly 3 dimensional.
It is interesting to see the responses? Dont you have anything better to do than go on an f-body site and post negative things in order to get your jolly's off at the reactions?
Dude, you seriously need to get a life.
HE NEEDS TO! SOMEBODY NEEDS TO!!!!
To the guy with the 400hp.+ Firebird...
I DON'T CARE IF IT HAS 650 rwhp... It's still an OLD outdated solid axle cheap-*** interior 0 (ZERO) ergonomics (my wife can't get away from the steering wheel and still push the clutch to the floor) or see out the windows and she's not a gangsta'.
The old F-bod was a cheap-*** punk-*** hot rod (WHICH IT HAS DONE INCREDIBLY WELL AT BEING SUCCESSFUL!!!!) and the new car is to evolve into a more sophisticated unit...
(Kinda like the Mitsu EVO has diluted itself.)
GM Listen up...
GIMME A NEW CHEAP-*** ----LIGHT--- PUNK-*** HOTROD!!!
I love my old one!!!!! (I only got about 400rwhp though but I got bald tires so it feels like MORE!)
07-26-2008, 09:31 AM
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I didn't know that anyone made a true manual transmission with a true clutch that didn't need a clutch pedal depressed to operate it. Maybe you could tell me who does? Or does your wife just not like standards. You act like the 4th gens are outdated because the manual transmission still requires someone to use their left foot. The 4th gens were available with an automatic as well.
07-26-2008, 09:37 AM
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1. You could use a smaller (more fuel efficient) motor... A turbo v-6 perhaps???
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
LOSE THE FATSO...... Look at the gas pump prices and build us something light AND fast, MAKE THE NEW Cobalt SS TURBO SEDAN RWD, REAR FRIKKIN' WHEEL DRIVE aka... FUN!!!
GAS IS $4+ a gallon!!!! DOH! The big engines and the bIIIIIg Camaro, (Challenger too...) MISSED THE GAME!
Sorry boys and I hate to say this but the MUSTANG IS in the game and showed up early to rake in moocho profito... Same as always... The v6 is a 'lil ripper FOR CHEAP!
07-26-2008, 11:08 AM
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I didn't know that anyone made a true manual transmission with a true clutch that didn't need a clutch pedal depressed to operate it. Maybe you could tell me who does? Or does your wife just not like standards. You act like the 4th gens are outdated because the manual transmission still requires someone to use their left foot. The 4th gens were available with an automatic as well.
Sorry.. You missed my point... Her legs are too short to push it all the way in without eating the steering wheel (unlike the stang).... THE CAR WASN'T designed for everyone... And she owns a ZX-6 so working a clutch isn't a problem...
Also...
Quote:
1. You could use a smaller (more fuel efficient) motor... A turbo v-6 perhaps???
AND ACHIEVE the same performance (100lbs.=1/10th)
Wrong, a turbo 6 would weight more than the LS3, and not get any better gas mileage.
If it were an LS3 MINUS TWO CYLINDERS??????
I think WRONG is too strong a word when we're all speculating and talking out our asses. GM won't accept input from the buyers!!!
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07-26-2008, 11:14 AM
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07-26-2008, 02:05 PM
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So you lop off 2 cylinders and add a turbo, intercooler and all necessary piping, guess what, there is no weight savings. Look at the the RX7 guys who swap out their tiny twin turbo rotary for an LS1, there is very little weight difference. Plus, a smaller motor is gonna have to work harder, turbo'd or not, than the same car w/a more powerful (or comparably powered turbo V6) V8. And as far as mileage goes, the released figures were estimates from GM and not the numbers that'll end up on window stickers or what you'll see on the road.