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Old 07-30-2008, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Been living in a cave? We have seen LS powered cars go 6s already. Quite a few of them are in the 7s now. You should do more research before acting like you are an authority in engines. lol
I'm not counting tube frame obviously... There are 274 turbo buicks in the 6's as well. They are tube frame cars like casper though. I mean come on Nine ball. I'm not talking about tube frame prostreet fricking drag cars. Wheel to wheel's car wasn't even entirely built by them and it didn't originally house an LSX, which might explain why their current car is barely in the 7's. I'm talking about only f-bodys and y-bodys though. There are turbo buicks in the 7's with their original carriage frame. I can't find the fastest time for an f-body/y-body LSX car now, atleast not on this forum. Though I admit I might be mistaken. I can't find the times but I'm pretty sure I have seen 7 second LSX cars now that I think about it...

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Ahhh of course, here comes the exceptions. Funny, you didn't list exceptions during your blanket statement.
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REASONS TO BUY THE V6: less expensive, better fuel mileage, cheaper insurance, and its a sleeper that will out-perform many V8s. If you plan on buying the new camaro for a daily driver v6 is the way to go. Just hang on to your LSX for your the weekends!
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Ahhh of course, here comes the exceptions. Funny, you didn't list exceptions during your blanket statement.
That's my mistake. It's irrelevant I suppose. The LSX is more power capable than the turbo buick BUT that's not to say GM doesn't make a mean V6. Just trying to make a point to the V6 nay sayers. I screwed up...
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Got it. I'm definitely a fan of the 3.6DI V6, we have a 2008 Caddy CTS and that thing scoots with the same engine. It sure doesn't feel like the typical V6, it moves that heavy car pretty well.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Got it. I'm definitely a fan of the 3.6DI V6, we have a 2008 Caddy CTS and that thing scoots with the same engine. It sure doesn't feel like the typical V6, it moves that heavy car pretty well.
I don't mean to thread hi-jack but do you know where I can find the FI quickest LSX cars? Not tube frame of course. I know the turbo buicks just recently broke into the 6's trapping in the 180's to Casper's 200+.

I know about your garage man, and I hate you for it... LOL
That is my future goal and you literally own duplicates of my favorite car...
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I've shot a few features for GM High Tech on mid-7s stock type suspension LS cars. No tube chassis. Tom Kempf has even gone that quick on a drag radial recently, at something like 3600 lb raceweight.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
I've shot a few features for GM High Tech on mid-7s stock type suspension LS cars. No tube chassis. Tom Kempf has even gone that quick on a drag radial recently, at something like 3600 lb raceweight.
Yeah. Damn. I just took a look at the most recent LSX shoot out. I'm WAY behind the times... Ouch.
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Originally Posted by DiscerningZ32
Yes, GM's 3.8 V6 is worthless and isn't capable of making decent power...
Wait a second??? Isn't the quickest modified GM V6 quicker than the quickest LSX???
Oh, that's right, it is... You LSX guys have still yet to run 7's (<:EDIT: oops, way off) like the grand nationals do to this day. What's up with that?
Intense Racing has a low 8 second firebird 3800 V6 TT, 7's are a touch away from turning up the boost. FWD 3800 can get 12's for under $1000 and 9's for about $3500 (if you don't break the trans). GM has made some nice V6's over the years, stupid statements people make about girly engines are rediculous.
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Originally Posted by BanditTA
Intense Racing has a low 8 second firebird 3800 V6 TT, 7's are a touch away from turning up the boost. FWD 3800 can get 12's for under $1000 and 9's for about $3500 (if you don't break the trans). GM has made some nice V6's over the years, stupid statements people make about girly engines are rediculous.
Sorry slight correction here, but Tim's car ran high 8's. I believe he had to stop working on it suddenly because of health issues. The car was definitely capable of much, much more. He said that even running the high 8 pass, the car had a LOT left in it.

But yeah, saying they are girls engines is funny. But what's really funny is it's the guys who's cars can still get whipped by a lil 6 banger talkin ****
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the biggest thing will be. the dyno sheet of the new camaro v6. where does it hit its max power how soon does it and for how long does it hold the power.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Bullcrap. We put a turbo on our 2006 Mustang GT, and it folded two rods at a measly 400 rwhp. Zero detonation, and running rich. The 4.6L GT engine sucks ***. I don't consider that "potential". We repaired that POS and sold it the same week. Bought a GTO to replace it, and it puts down 550 rwhp on a stock internal engine with twin turbos on it. Hasn't had an issue since we've owned it.

That little DI 3.6L V6 is a better engine than the 4.6L mod-motor. Hell, it makes the same power with less displacement and it doesn't even need rpm to do so. If anything, this just shows how crappy the 4.6L is.


I was wondering what happened you your 4.6L project. maybe its good we never put a blower on ours. its going bye-bye for a 5th gen Camaro anyway.
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jesus christ nine-ball. Do you mind telling me what you do for a living?

You must have more money than you know what to do with LOL. Good for you man.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Bullcrap. We put a turbo on our 2006 Mustang GT, and it folded two rods at a measly 400 rwhp. Zero detonation, and running rich. The 4.6L GT engine sucks ***. I don't consider that "potential". We repaired that POS and sold it the same week.
Sounds like someone didn't know what the **** they were doing while tuning that GT. I'm over 400rwhp on a 100% bonestock motor. And there's tons of S197s running close to 500rwhp on the stock motor as well. Ppl who can't tune for **** are the only reason the 3V motor doesn't survive between 400 and 500rwhp. PERIOD.

That's like me making a judgement statement on GM motors based on my friend who blew the LT1 in his 96 TA. And that motor was BONE STOCK.
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Originally Posted by ThisBlood147
Sounds like someone didn't know what the **** they were doing while tuning that GT. I'm over 400rwhp on a 100% bonestock motor.
Congrats with your 4.6L turd. I made over 400 rwhp back in 1999 on my LS1 Formula....with a measly 221/221 cam and ported factory 98 heads. We didn't have much to play with back then. In other words, modifying anything to achieve 400 rwhp is low by today's standards, and requiring a forced induction system to clear 400 rwhp just plain sucks.

BTW, the Mustang was my Wife's car. I didn't want to make it too fast, so 400 rwhp was the goal. That is almost strong enough for a girl. She was much happier with the 550 rwhp GTO. Less girly like the Mustang was.

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This is a V8 site. Can most of you really say you will step down & buy a 6 cyl camaro. Think about that for a second. The people who buy the V6 are the ones who cant afford the extra 1000's for the V8 (real deal) & want a small difference on there insurance rate. When you say the V6 gets better MPG's, well thats something a ricer would say. The V8's are for the true enthusiasts & the V6 are for the clueless average joes IMO.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Congrats with your 4.6L turd. I made over 400 rwhp back in 1999 on my LS1 Formula....with a measly 221/221 cam and ported factory 98 heads. We didn't have much to play with back then. In other words, modifying anything to achieve 400 rwhp is low by today's standards, and requiring a forced induction system to clear 400 rwhp just plain sucks.

BTW, the Mustang was my Wife's car. I didn't want to make it too fast, so 400 rwhp was the goal. That is almost strong enough for a girl. She was much happier with the 550 rwhp GTO. Less girly like the Mustang was.

Congrats on the Cavalier GT. You are right, it is a more proper girl car

BTW, nice attempt at trying to make me feel silly for owning a blown Mustang. But you should leave tasks like that to someone more talented than yourself.
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The V8's are for the true enthusiasts & the V6 are for the clueless average joes IMO.
riight... Here's my opinion:

It doesn't matter what you buy that makes you a 'True' enthusiast. True enthusiasts give respect where respect is due and have a passion for the car hobby. True enthusiasts don't care what it is, as long as it's fast and fun as hell to drive. True enthusiasts don't put other peoples 'tasteful' cars down (key word being tasteful. And that excludes constructive criticism). A true enthusiast sees potential in places other's see none. True enthusiasts are always happy and willing to learn something new.

Arguing against such just proves your ignorance.

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Originally Posted by 0000000000
This is a V8 site. Can most of you really say you will step down & buy a 6 cyl camaro. Think about that for a second. The people who buy the V6 are the ones who cant afford the extra 1000's for the V8 (real deal) & want a small difference on there insurance rate. When you say the V6 gets better MPG's, well thats something a ricer would say. The V8's are for the true enthusiasts & the V6 are for the clueless average joes IMO.
Actually wiseass, this is a LSX site (your car not falling in that category),and most of us who say that buying a V6 is a good idea mean for cost and fuel economy such as a daily driver. Sorry it burst your bubble that GM produced a 6 cylinder motor with better performance than your V8!
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Originally Posted by Mong00z
Actually wiseass, this is a LSX site (your car not falling in that category),and most of us who say that buying a V6 is a good idea mean for cost and fuel economy such as a daily driver. Sorry it burst your bubble that GM produced a 6 cylinder motor with better performance than your V8!
Fuel economy??? That should be on the last of the list when buying a camaro, therefore irrelevant. Moreover, the MPG difference between the 8/6 is slim to none! Thats funny cuz we are talking about an LSX camaro not my car??? Are you that oblivious to say the DI V6 > 4.6??? You GM guys are so stubborn! The main concentration should be V8 vs Rice not Ford vs Chevy!


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