l99 vs ls3
I doubt you'll feel much more off-the-line grunt with a 3.27 geared A6/L99 Camaro than you would with the 2.56-2.73 geared A6/LS2 or LS3 Corvette. Keep in mind the weight difference of about 700lbs. That's a lot of extra weight to spring, and I'm sure this is why GM chose such aggressive gearing in the first place. Otherwise, a 3900lb/400hp car would feel no quicker than an old LS1 Camaro with 3.23s and 3400-3500lb weight.
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Whats the actual difference between the l99 and the ls3? What did they do to the ls3 to make the l99 less powerful. Smaller camshaft I bet or different heads? I am also wondering what went through their head when they decided this. Two engines w/ the same displacement for different trannys. Wow talk about not using your noggin.
Whats the actual difference between the l99 and the ls3? What did they do to the ls3 to make the l99 less powerful. Smaller camshaft I bet or different heads? I am also wondering what went through their head when they decided this. Two engines w/ the same displacement for different trannys. Wow talk about not using your noggin.
AFM can not be used with a manual but can with an auto.
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sorry I came off as harsh, bad day yesterday.
there is a ton of info on here, most people don't seem to want to search before asking repetitive questions. I know I've probably been guilty of it too.
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Two of my cars I've had in the past had "manual shifting automatics". I can tell you even if there is a pause, it is much more fun shifting through the gears than the regular automatic.
The best thing is you can have fun shifting the gears and when you hit heavy traffic you can switch it back to auto.
The best thing is you can have fun shifting the gears and when you hit heavy traffic you can switch it back to auto.
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I think with a 200lb weight reduction (and, as an added bonus, less aggressive gearing needed for the same 'grunt' due to less weight), there would be no need for DOD to meet their MPG target.
Yes, I seriously think they did not. They made a bunch of stuff standard that didn't need to be, and weight could have easily been 200lbs less on a stripper model, plus they could have looked at more composite panels like the 4th gens (rather than so much steel). Yes, steel is probably cheaper, but the costs could have been offset by negating the need for the development and production of the L99 and all associated hardware/software. Just put an LS3 in both trans types...cheaper, simpler.
I think with a 200lb weight reduction (and, as an added bonus, less aggressive gearing needed for the same 'grunt' due to less weight), there would be no need for DOD to meet their MPG target.
I think with a 200lb weight reduction (and, as an added bonus, less aggressive gearing needed for the same 'grunt' due to less weight), there would be no need for DOD to meet their MPG target.
I for one am extremely pissed about not having a ls3 A6 option. I plan on getting a new camaro, and this l99 only with afm is making me look closer to the vette. by the time the camaro comes out I would have waited 6 years for it, and it is not going to be what i wanted. If someone wanted great mpg they could get a different car or get the v6. I give mad props to all 6spd guys that can run consistent times, but i cant. I also think a properly stalled auto can beat a 6spd with the same mods. The big question is will it be difficult to get rid of the afm. What changes will have to be made. A bigger fear of mine is how much it will cost. The srt8 bases for more than 41k. I think we can all agree the ss will be around that cost. With no entry level v8 option z28 many people will not be able to afford this car and will be looking at gt's and rt's.
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I for one am extremely pissed about not having a ls3 A6 option. I plan on getting a new camaro, and this l99 only with afm is making me look closer to the vette. by the time the camaro comes out I would have waited 6 years for it, and it is not going to be what i wanted. If someone wanted great mpg they could get a different car or get the v6. I give mad props to all 6spd guys that can run consistent times, but i cant. I also think a properly stalled auto can beat a 6spd with the same mods. The big question is will it be difficult to get rid of the afm. What changes will have to be made. A bigger fear of mine is how much it will cost. The srt8 bases for more than 41k. I think we can all agree the ss will be around that cost. With no entry level v8 option z28 many people will not be able to afford this car and will be looking at gt's and rt's.
There is no way they will cost the same. The SS cannot be over 35k or it will not last! I think you can get rid of the AFM with a tune but swapping the cam gets complicated. I too dont understand why all the SS's dont come with the LS3. I hope the price stays low enough to compete with the GT/RT's, since those are the main target!
Price will not be 35k. That would be suicide.
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Why all the hate against AFM? It is practically the same engine just with a MPG feature. You lose hardly any HP at all and if you mod the car it will probably be the first thing out the door.
I wonder if there will be a price difference between auto and manual. I would always get manual, period, as I hate the trans in the G8 I dont like how it shifts you get to the top of the gear and hit it and . . . shift. It is not very climactic.
On the price I keep hearing SS for under 30k so I dont see mid 30's except for maybe with a ton of options. I dont want options really just as long as its leather and not cloth interior on the cheaper SS. I hate cloth.
I wonder if there will be a price difference between auto and manual. I would always get manual, period, as I hate the trans in the G8 I dont like how it shifts you get to the top of the gear and hit it and . . . shift. It is not very climactic.
On the price I keep hearing SS for under 30k so I dont see mid 30's except for maybe with a ton of options. I dont want options really just as long as its leather and not cloth interior on the cheaper SS. I hate cloth.
