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Old Jul 29, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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so what are the pro's and con's of these engines? i wanted the automatic but it is paired with the l99 and the ls3 comes with the manual. is the l99 as easily modifiable as the ls3? will there be as many options? etc etc. any info is apreciated
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 06:50 AM
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L99 has AFM, LS3 does not.

all bolt-ons will be interchangeable. the L99 will just be harder to do a cam swap on unless there are AFM cams by then. Even then to get teh same performance out of an L99 with a cam swap you will have to swap lifters to non AFM type.

the L99 is supposed to be as fast as the LS3 stock anyway, so unless you plan on getting into the motor, I wouldn't think twice about getting an auto/L99. most guys that do a cam swap end up doing heads anyway, so I really don't see any detraction from the L99.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 383ss
L99 has AFM, LS3 does not.

all bolt-ons will be interchangeable. the L99 will just be harder to do a cam swap on unless there are AFM cams by then. Even then to get teh same performance out of an L99 with a cam swap you will have to swap lifters to non AFM type.

the L99 is supposed to be as fast as the LS3 stock anyway, so unless you plan on getting into the motor, I wouldn't think twice about getting an auto/L99. most guys that do a cam swap end up doing heads anyway, so I really don't see any detraction from the L99.
what he said + itll Cost more for the L99 motor cause its Auto. its really just if you want a manual or an auto. the auto with tapshift seems really fun to drive but dont know if it would get boring? never drove one
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 09:18 AM
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well the l99 puts out less horespower but i did think that they were just as fast. i wish i could just get the ls3 with the auto but doesnt look like that will happen. ive driven a manual and automatic and i get tired of shifting gears all the time ecspecially when im on the phone
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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Does Dodge build automatic Vipers?
Does Chevy build automatic Z06 or ZR1 Corvettes?
Does Ford build automatic Cobras?

Nope. Real men buy manual tranny sportscars.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Does Dodge build automatic Vipers?
Does Chevy build automatic Z06 or ZR1 Corvettes?
Does Ford build automatic Cobras?

Nope. Real men buy manual tranny sportscars.
haha true that...LS3 for the win...market for LSx engines is already huge...i don't really see that happening for the L99
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with "AFM"....
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Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with "AFM"....
Active Fuel Management a.k.a. Cylinder Deactivation

basically it uses 4cyl for cruising and all 8cyl under load to save you gas...its kinda bullshit tho on such a heavy car.
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Originally Posted by L3THAL_Z28
Active Fuel Management a.k.a. Cylinder Deactivation

basically it uses 4cyl for cruising and all 8cyl under load to save you gas...its kinda bullshit tho on such a heavy car.
with a decent tune, the AFM would be great. you can get about another 4mpg out of them by tuning the AFM agressively. I could see you getting damn near 30mpg on the highway with the L99.


Originally Posted by L3THAL_Z28
haha true that...LS3 for the win...market for LSx engines is already huge...i don't really see that happening for the L99

the L99 is LSX, it has the same market. only difference is the AFM cam, IF you want to keep AFM. some guys are currently developing AFM cams also.
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Old Jul 30, 2008 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
Does Dodge build automatic Vipers?
Does Chevy build automatic Z06 or ZR1 Corvettes?
Does Ford build automatic Cobras?

Nope. Real men buy manual tranny sportscars.
Real men drive whatever they damn please and don't care what other people think about it. Auto for me. I am sick of having a manual for a DD.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by GTODan
Real men drive whatever they damn please and don't care what other people think about it. Auto for me. I am sick of having a manual for a DD.
I agree with that. Also, with the auto trans now having 6 speeds, it is kinda hard to continue ignoring the advantage of computer controlled shifting. And if it has tap-shifting, where is the real down-side anymore?

My '99 Z is a 6-speed, and I love it. It does get a bit tiresome in stop-and-go traffic everyday though. Makes me kinda miss living in the smaller cities...
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Doesn't the Auto also come with "launch control"? (I'm a manual guy anyway, just curious).
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Originally Posted by Z Fury
I agree with that. Also, with the auto trans now having 6 speeds, it is kinda hard to continue ignoring the advantage of computer controlled shifting. And if it has tap-shifting, where is the real down-side anymore?

My '99 Z is a 6-speed, and I love it. It does get a bit tiresome in stop-and-go traffic everyday though. Makes me kinda miss living in the smaller cities...
Hope the tapshifting does it almost instantly and positively/firm 'cos I've driven many auto cars with the manual shift thingy and it gets boring when you have to tap and wait for it to shift, kinda defeats the purpose.
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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Im willing to say even with the HP difference they are neck and neck once they are out. Coming from a4.... an A6 would have many advantages..... all the stalled A4 guys can imagine being able to keep up with the 6spds with a 6spd automatic.
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/edit..... ON the freeway as well as from a dig
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Im willing to say even with the HP difference they are neck and neck once they are out. Coming from a4.... an A6 would have many advantages..... all the stalled A4 guys can imagine being able to keep up with the 6spds with a 6spd automatic.
so can the 6spd auto keep up with a 6spd manual? or do they need to get a Torque Converter like in the 4th Gens? cause i can beat my friend in the 1/8th mile but he would take me in the 1/4. he has M6
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Originally Posted by z28voodoo
so can the 6spd auto keep up with a 6spd manual? or do they need to get a Torque Converter like in the 4th Gens? cause i can beat my friend in the 1/8th mile but he would take me in the 1/4. he has M6

of course they will need a converter if they are are going to keep up with a DR or slick M6 car launching at 4-5000+ rpm

stock vs stock though, they should be pretty even.

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Originally Posted by 383ss
of course they will need a converter if they are are going to keep up with a DR or slick M6 car launching at 4-5000+ rpm

stock vs stock though, they should be pretty even.
ah ok. well i guess when it comes right down to it im just gonna have to drive both and see which is better/more fun/more tolerable.
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i believe they both have the same 0-60 times and etc, just that they are set up differently. even with an A6 i would still look into getting a torq conv
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Our '08 CTS has the "sport mode" shifting with its A6. It isn't instant when you upshift or downshift, there is a pause.

NOT like a real performance manual.
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