I'm starting to think that 000000000 is a double agent troll. His main purpose seems to be to generate as much animosity towards the Mustang as possible.....and he's doing a pretty good job so far.

So I'll ask again........how long does it usually take for such a blatant troll to get kicked? I'm honestly as tired of his dribble as the rest of you GM guys. Maybe even more so......since his nonsense keeps getting a bullseye painted on my back despite the fact that I'm here to actually discuss the 5th gen Camaro.

 

"You can not tell me that a Ford dealership has never marked up a GT500 as a "Market Adjustment". **** we marked up our 03 Cobras 3-4 grand when I worked for a Ford dealer and I bet right now I could find one on their lot marked up. When the 500's were coming out, there was a 15k markup. So yes, 42k is a starting price, but realistically is another 10k on top of that."

In 2005, the mark ups were crazy. Nonetheless, the MSRP was set low at $43. Keep in mind, this car was really the only thing out from 05 til now. People didnt want a fugly charger or GTO (again no appeal). The fact that the GT500 still has mark ups is a good thing, not a bad thing! Again, gotta love quality, power, & appeal. The Camaro Ss will not get the same attention - MARK EM.

"As for 000000.....somebody is just looking for a reaction due to their uninteresting life"

On the contrar, im at work hardly workin. LOL I BET SOMEONE COMMENTS ON MY WORK ETHIC! Again, sorry for pooping in your cheerios but im simply pointing out the BS remarks & commenting on the 2010 Camaro!

 

Maybe we should make a thread with a poll?

 

Maybe he should just get banned.

 

Hmmmm. . . .

ThisBlood147- ". . . . Sounds like someone didn't know what the **** they were doing. . ."
". . . . Ppl who can't tune for **** are the only reason the 3V motor doesn't survive between 400 and 500rwhp. PERIOD. . . ."
". . . . you should leave tasks like that to someone more talented than yourself. . . . ."
". . . . you're up on your high ego . . . ."
". . . . I just think you're reacting like a 17 yr old fanboy. . . ."
". . . . don't go nutswinging on me just because . . . ."

ALL of these quotes you directed at NineBall, the Creator or LS1 tech. Need I say more? T-R-O-L-L

 

Now Im def. not one to stick up for a mudstain fanboy, but it just seems like some of those statements could have been taken out on context lol. I dont really think Thisblood deserves the critisism that 000000000 (how many again. theres multiple i think) does. Sorry: end opinion

 

Wow... if you are really this closed minded/ignorant in person i'm really surprised you haven't driven your mustang off a cliff for thinking it can fly...

And why do you keep comparing the new camaro to the gt500... you do realize that it's competing with the mustang gt, right? Unless Ford makes some big improvements, there is no competition between those two cars: the 2010 Camaro wins all around (yes, from simply eye-balling the specs you can see that).

I, and i'm sure a lot of others, do respect the 03-04 Cobra's (which was basically in a class of it's own), but really... what else do you have besides that? Gt500? well, the vette kinda owns that... Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are a house-cat amongst wolves.

 

^ Well put

 

Ford just took the Government to Court over 450 million dollars over Interest tax issues from 1987 to 93 or something. I'm not sure of any other sues.

Some engine experts might now, but I believe the OHC design came before the OHV. Don't quote me but I think it did.

When the C6 Z06 first came out it, I saw a sticker for 125k. So are we now not suppoed to compar C6 Z06's to SRT10 Vipers? Just a thought.

Sounds like comments taking out of context. Much like how Atheist take words in The Bible out of context. No one on any site is God either or deserves more respect then the next guy. Though I REALLY don't like the Owner of svtperformance, but thats another story. First time I met Nine Ball, he was suggesting or asking if I was some immature high school kid.
I believe he said, " caseypayne, you are annoying. Still in high school or something?
Should I get upset? No hopefully he didn't mean that in a harsh manner. But I do notice when a site owner opens the door on a member and burns him with words. Others follow with the whips.

I sorta felt like this thread was written because of me too, hope not and if so my bad for steppin out of line on this sites rules. I'm used to svtperformance were the Sh t talking is very high. And I've learned that a great deal of SVT owners are Atheist.

I noticed Nine Ball said to only talk about actual racing. And he owned a 96 GT and hated it. Well during a ride to the Corvette home coming. Me 96 GT, friend 80 Vette, his dad 78 Vette, and his other friend 98 Vette were on the highway. We goose the gas and do rolls blah blah. His dad put in a ZZ4 crate motor in his 78 Vette and man it sucks so bad on the low end cause he couldn't leave my sissy 96 GT with maybe MAYBE 200 rwhp. And I rolled the 98 Vette that gave me props for not being totally left behind. 60 to 100 pulls of course. Yes, I know the Vette will rape my car. Just sharing a story.

 

"ALL of these quotes you directed at NineBall, the Creator or LS1 tech. Need I say more? T-R-O-L-L"

^ Get off his nuts! Maybe me & ThisBlood are the same person??? Think about it.


"And why do you keep comparing the new camaro to the gt500... you do realize that it's competing with the mustang gt, right? Unless Ford makes some big improvements, there is no competition between those two cars: the 2010 Camaro wins all around"

Simply comparing camaro to Mustang. Overall, in the end, & ultimately.........the
Mustang > Camaro. You just cant give credit were credit is due!

"I, and i'm sure a lot of others, do respect the 03-04 Cobra's (which was basically in a class of it's own)"

Poor excuse! 03-04 Cobra > 2010 or any Camaro! So what you're saying is I am only allowed to compare a slow version mustang to your beloved Camaro. Something wrong there dont you think??? Nothing like being in the dark trying to promote the Camaro as a top dog. You disgust me.

 

 

Im quoting this entire post so even if you edit yours, your original will be up for the moderators to see. If this doesnt get you a trip to bansville nothing will.

I reiterate my previous post which I dare say reflects the view of the majority of this board

Furthermore Id like to add that no one will ever be able to tell me which one was completely better than the other in terms of Camaro vs Mustang. It all depends on your point of view (Which for you is up your ***) and what your judging it by (Drivability, Performance, looks, quality, value etc.)

I judge by performance. The Fourth Gen F-body in my opinion was the best overall for that. Capable of 12 seconds from the factory in good altitude and air all for under 30K (The Cobra was 35K btw without Chrome wheels) Why did the fourth gen f-body fail? Because it was an enthusiest car. It was built to market to those who wanted power and were willing to pay for the power and looks. There was little market for such a car. The muscle car days were over. Buyers who were in the market for a pony car wanted looks and the brand and did not want the extra power. The mustang was cheaper and looked good. Hence why the market recieved it better and also the reason that V6 mustangs out sold GTs 3:1 (as opposed to a 50/50 split like the f-bodies)

Poor sales, internal and external pressure for reform on GM, and internal politics meant that the F-body would be cancelled. Do I felt like GM left us hanging? No. They are a coporation who's #1 priority is their shareholders, not by choice but by law. They viewed that the F-body was not bringing in a proper return on their investiment and therefore taking up too many resources that could be better used elsewhere. Do I agree with that? No. I think Camaro and Firebird are the only cars except for the Corvette that at the time GM could sell on name alone. But As state above they thought it the best move because of the pressure they were under to perform.

And before you begin GM bashing on them wanting profits dont forget that Ford considered cancelling the Ford Mustang when it was selling 100,000 a year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-g...ed_replacement
And thats the last I or anyone wants to hear you ******* GM bashing. You are no god of cars and your judgement isnt supreme. So quit acting like it. So sit down and and shut the **** up until you have something intelligent to say for once.

 

GM was very interested in haulting production at the plant where camaro and firebird were made but in order to do that they were not allowed to build anywhere else for 5 years. Slowdown in sales were a factor in the final decision but wanted it. Ill give Ford its credit with the new 4.6 but GM has the LSX block that has brought nothing but good things for GM performance.

 

I've never seen a C6 Z06 sticker for anywhere near that

 

and what dumbass? you don't pay taxes? gaz guzzler tax in some states? financing? dealer mark up? get your head out of your ***...its easily over $50K

 

every test of the the GT500 they pit it against the vette...even if the f-body existed right now, they still wouldn't be compared...i've never seen a camaro even retail anywhere near 40g...and the GT500 is starting at more than that...price for price, excluding markups, the Camaro will always be pitted against the Mustang GT...if the z28 version is released...then i could see that new comparison...but from everything i am reading...thats not gonna happen

 

OK. Although this is only my 2nd post in response to your feeble argument, it'll be my last. I rather not waste time, and honestly, i'd probably have a more insightful conversation with a trash can. But I digress--do you realize what you are saying? the base camaro's (year in and year out... not a car that's 10 years old compared to a car thats brand new) have ALWAYS had more power, etc. than the base mustangs.... and that has yet to change, and looks like it won't anytime soon.

Secondly, how can you compare an entire brand-model (mustang and camaro) when there are different classes within the brand-model? If you really wanted to compare the GT500 and the other mustang 'top dogs' to something you should be comparing it to GM's top performance vehicle (or top dog... however you want to look at it), the Z06.

So please stop trying to make it a Mustang vs. Camaro thing, when in reality, it's a Mustang v6/gt/gt500 vs. Camaro v6/ss,z28/corvette z06.... which in each case, the Camaro/Vette is the better stock (performance) car.

Like I said, I'm done. I have better things to do than trying to convince you that grass is green, and the sky is blue.

 

well put man...and go Niners!! lol

 

How dare you compare me to an atheist!! I am well aware of the narrow-minded fools taking Gods Word out of context and trying to turn it against itself and Chrisrianity, such as the Leviticus Laws, wich were meant for a different time(ex: the Obama campaign). Anyway, totally different topic. . . And in no way am I comparing Nineball to a god!!

I do, however think nineball(or anyone else as knowledgeable and experienced in the field of discussion) deserves the respect not to be talked to like a mindless dog.

And if you still think the text is out of context(if I had typed the entire conversation it would have been two pages long and pointless) why don't you go back and read it again. . . in full context. Maybe some of you got a different understanding of the conversation, but I see it as thisblood assuming that nineball and the shop were ignorant about the 4.6L and blew the motor because they didn't know what they were doing. Then Thisblood seemed to change his tone when nine told him the vin on the car fell into the category of ones with bad parts. Bottom line they are all insults which are off topic and contain profanity. Thisblood is acting like a two face troll and his comments along with others should be deleted from these threads to say the least.

 

Well....the Challenger has tested faster than the Bullitt Mustang, and you know the Camaro, being lighter, with the Hi-Po V8, is gonna be quicker than the Challenger, so I'd say the Camaro will be the quickest/fastest of the "muscle car " types. When you go into GT500/KR territory, the C6 and C6Z is gonna kill them and , of course, the new CTS-V is possibly a bone stock 12.0 or quicker 4-door, so that'd take care of either GT500/KR save the 750HP version....but there's always the ZR1 to measure that one against, even at 100HP less, I'd wager it'll be 1/2 a second or more quicker in the 1320 than the KR750HP version. I could talk printed stats all day long, but why waste time? Take those cars to the strip and lets see 'em run. You know how many GT500 , Viper , Z06, or Ford GT owners WON'T run their cars because they don't want to risk losing to an "inferior" car.....They might as well bought a poster of their car and hung it in their garage for all they do to solidify their car's reputation at the track.