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Old 01-22-2010, 08:33 PM
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Well...... I read a thread the other day that got me thinking. The thread stated that SOM didn't come out til 2001 IIRC and my first thought was no effin way. Hell one BIG reason I bought my car was because I loved that color and wanted a SOM T/A!

Well today at work I had some free time and did a little searching and sure enough I have a RPO 96U.... Cayenne Red Metallic car! SOM cars are RPO 71U.... The colors are so close that I have met two guys with SOM cars at local tracks who have come up to me and talked to me because they thought I was in the SOM fraternity when they saw my car. I noticed my car was slightly darker in color when parked next to them but it was so close we all assumed it was just a normal difference in batches of paint... It is still a beautiful car and this in no way diminishes that fact but really surprised me. Guess I need to change my name now lol..

And BTW the Camaros this color were called Monterey Maroon Metallic or according to some Medium Red Metallic but I have never seen a Camaro this color I don't think. Gordon on here and a couple guys on other forums call it Maple Red Metallic but anyway just thought I would share this info....
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isn't that even more rare?
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Monterey Maroon Metallic is not the same color, this is a darker red, and is the Chevy version of Maple Red Metallic (pontiac).

In 1998, your color was called Red-Orange Metallic (pontiac), and Cayenne Red Metallic for Camaro.

I've got all the dealer brochures from most of these years, that's my source for this info.

PS. There were about a dozen SOM cars released at the end of 2000, but good luck finding one. It was only an "official" color for 2001 & 2002.
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Damn, beat me too it. Good info though..
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Mine's Red-Orange Metallic and people confuse it for SOM all the time. SOM definitely appears MUCH more orange to me though.

...dang guess I need a new username too.
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That's interesting..
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6 View Post
Monterey Maroon Metallic is not the same color, this is a darker red, and is the Chevy version of Maple Red Metallic (pontiac).

In 1998, your color was called Red-Orange Metallic (pontiac), and Cayenne Red Metallic for Camaro.

I've got all the dealer brochures from most of these years, that's my source for this info.

PS. There were about a dozen SOM cars released at the end of 2000, but good luck finding one. It was only an "official" color for 2001 & 2002.
Thanks for clearing this up. I read a lot of conflicting info on several websites but since you have the pontiac brochures I'll take this as gospel. Regardless I really like the color and it is what drew me to the car when I saw it. Hell I was deadset on a M6 car but when I saw this car that was it....

I guess now I need to find out how many were produced in 98 and change my name to ROMbitch.....
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This paint code comes back as "Medium Red Metallic" when you run the RPO's and when the paintshop did a check on it......

Most people call it Montery Maroon, but all the Montery Maroon's I usually see appear more purple to me.
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my car is cayenne red metallic ans rpm was6 is correct it was cayenne red for camaros and red orange for ta's.
every one who takes a look at my car at a show or at the track thinks my car is som or they think its custom.

i did look up the build #'s on my car and from what i remember there was around 400 cayenne red camaros is 98 and my car is a z28 a4 tan leather interior 3:23 rear so my guess is that my car has a very low build # maybe in the 100 or so range but it dont get that detailed so i will never know.
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Nice ride, Cayenne red! I like the subtle mods that set off the color (headlights, rims, tint).
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interesting read. Love learning new info.
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This paint code comes back as "Medium Red Metallic" when you run the RPO's and when the paintshop did a check on it......

Most people call it Montery Maroon, but all the Montery Maroon's I usually see appear more purple to me.
Medium Red Metallic was never a name used for LS1 F-body colors, but it's very likely that other GM models using this same exact color code just called it that instead.

What year is that car? Montery Maroon Metallic (Camaro)/Maple Red Metallic (Firebird) didn't appear on the F-body color option list until 2000. 44U is the code GM has listed for both of these colors.

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my car is cayenne red metallic ans rpm was6 is correct it was cayenne red for camaros and red orange for ta's.
every one who takes a look at my car at a show or at the track thinks my car is som or they think its custom.

i did look up the build #'s on my car and from what i remember there was around 400 cayenne red camaros is 98 and my car is a z28 a4 tan leather interior 3:23 rear so my guess is that my car has a very low build # maybe in the 100 or so range but it dont get that detailed so i will never know.
here is some pics.


I just wanted to say that your car looks great. I love that color, I've seen it in person a couple times, and I definitely prefer it over SOM. Very nice.
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The Camaro White Book doesn't break it down by engine size but below is the build info for the Cayenne camaro's in 1998. The color ran from 1996 to 1998.

1788 - Coupes
126 - Verts
1914 - total
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LOL.
Well, you know what they say...about when you assume and the asses and all that ****.
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6 View Post
Medium Red Metallic was never a name used for LS1 F-body colors, but it's very likely that other GM models using this same exact color code just called it that instead.

What year is that car? Montery Maroon Metallic (Camaro)/Maple Red Metallic (Firebird) didn't appear on the F-body color option list until 2000. 44U is the code GM has listed for both of these colors.
My car is a 2002, and again, when running a vin/rpo decoder it comes back Medium Red Metallic, when the paint shop pulled the code, they got Medium Red Metallic, and when I compared the "Medium Red Metallic" color to my color it was a match...

I think I discussed this before on another thread. Monterrey Maroon, is the same color as Medium Red.... Regardless what they "called" it on the Fbody, I tried to get them to pull Monterrey Maroon by name and they couldn't find it, so I told them the RPO, and they said Medium Red Metallic is what its called in their book that lists Medium Red Metallic as a color on the 2002 Camaro....

This is the paint SELLER not the painters...... I was going to re-paint it myself..

So I'm aware that its called Monterrey Maroon Metallic, thats not how you find it when pulling the codes, it comes up Medium Red Metallic.
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for reference, this is pretty close to my color on a third gen, aptly named Medium Red Metallic http://www.mvillemure.com/images/denny-camero.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1


trail blazer http://www.web2carz.com/17847693/200...e436a6a4e0a591


I'm just sharing what I went through while trying to buy paint..... same color 2 different names....different systems may have it as Monterrey Maroon others Medium Red

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Great looking Camaro Shaun, now lets see some of your TA SOMBitch
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well when i first got my car i needed some touch up paint and i could not get it from the dealer and duplicolor had it but it was a different paint code but the same name and it matches perfectly.
i had some basf chromealusion paint made for my car at a auto body store and they had a few different shades of cayenne red which is a little wierd but we pulled it up by paint code (wa122b) but they also used a little camera and took a pic of the paint just to make shure.
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wow didnt know this. wonder if they have different nbm.... my old 01 nbm seemed to have more purple in it then the nbm 99 i have now
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