Why are goat prices still high?
02-08-2011, 02:42 AM
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... P.S. I'd be perfectly happy to "86" all modern conveniences with the exception of of a "Plain Jane" am/fm stereo! ... I'll take a "4-by-60" any day!
"4-by-60" = 4 windows rolled down @ 60mph!
02-08-2011, 02:47 AM
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What the hell is it about the GTO. I want one dammit!!!!
02-08-2011, 03:16 PM
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Well that's just it, though. No offense to LS1 GTO owners but most buyers aren't looking for an LS1 GTO-I would NEVER consider buying an LS1 GTO. LS2 GTO's are still commanding a premium, anywhere in the 18K range. I've seen cheaper examples but they're either 'modded to hell with high mileage and/or bling'ed out, but even those cars don't appear too often.
What the hell is it about the GTO. I want one dammit!!!!
What the hell is it about the GTO. I want one dammit!!!!
. dual exhaust, add it
. then bam same car. makes no sense to spend thousands more for an 05/06 when a nice 04 can be had for way less. the money saved can go to go fast mods
.04 - 350ci 5.7, plain hood, dual exhaust exit driver side only
05 - 364ci 6.0, "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust
06 - 364ci 6.0 "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust, black tail lights, controls on steering wheel light up
buy and 04 add the fallowing;
dual exhaust
the "ram" air hood
black 06 tail lights
and go fast parts
then you have an "06" gto with mods and money in you're pocket. you're welcome.
02-08-2011, 03:42 PM
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Now that's good stuff.
Seriously though since most of us own an LS1 car already there is the 'want' for a nice LS2. I also would not consider an '04 GTO at this point in time when the LS2 is so available. I saw a sub 10k miles '06 car in FL for $22,000. Basically new. So tempting!
Seriously though since most of us own an LS1 car already there is the 'want' for a nice LS2. I also would not consider an '04 GTO at this point in time when the LS2 is so available. I saw a sub 10k miles '06 car in FL for $22,000. Basically new. So tempting!
02-08-2011, 03:52 PM
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whats wrong with the 04? thay are the same car. oh the 14 cubes the 05/06 has? big deal. dual exhaust, add it. then bam same car. makes no sense to spend thousands more for an 05/06 when a nice 04 can be had for way less. the money saved can go to go fast mods.
04 - 350ci 5.7, plain hood, dual exhaust exit driver side only
05 - 364ci 6.0, "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust
06 - 364ci 6.0 "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust, black tail lights, controls on steering wheel light up
buy and 04 add the fallowing;
dual exhaust
the "ram" air hood
black 06 tail lights
and go fast parts
then you have an "06" gto with mods and money in you're pocket. you're welcome.
. dual exhaust, add it. then bam same car. makes no sense to spend thousands more for an 05/06 when a nice 04 can be had for way less. the money saved can go to go fast mods.04 - 350ci 5.7, plain hood, dual exhaust exit driver side only
05 - 364ci 6.0, "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust
06 - 364ci 6.0 "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust, black tail lights, controls on steering wheel light up
buy and 04 add the fallowing;
dual exhaust
the "ram" air hood
black 06 tail lights
and go fast parts
then you have an "06" gto with mods and money in you're pocket. you're welcome.
02-08-2011, 05:07 PM
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For what you get i dont think they are high. My dad had a brand new one back in 06 and i knew that i wanted one for a DD one day. Now im about to be ready to buy one and from what ive seen you can get a very nice low miled 04 for around $13k and a nice 05 for around $15-$16K. I am going to go for a 05 hopefully in the next couple of months.
02-08-2011, 05:15 PM
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I've been looking for one too. I want an 05 or 06 M6, and they are pricey. However, I've been looking at low mileage cars. Most 25k or less miles cars I've seen have been $18-22K. This is ebay, auto trader, craiglist and car max.
For those of you that have a GTO, how do you like it? I've been researching the cars for a few months and most people have nothing but good things to say. None of the squeaks and rattles that F-Bodies have, much better interior, and better ride quality.
For those of you that have a GTO, how do you like it? I've been researching the cars for a few months and most people have nothing but good things to say. None of the squeaks and rattles that F-Bodies have, much better interior, and better ride quality.
also its a 04 gto so its the LS1 not LS2..but still very fun
02-08-2011, 05:34 PM
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Prices are outrageous here as well. Trying to find an LS2 6 speed under 50k miles for ~$15k is almost impossible. LS1s are just not in demand, that's why they are cheap. Call me crazy if you'd like, but the only way I am taking home an LS1 goat is if I get it under 50k miles and for $11k or less.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
02-08-2011, 05:52 PM
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Prices are outrageous here as well. Trying to find an LS2 6 speed under 50k miles for ~$15k is almost impossible. LS1s are just not in demand, that's why they are cheap. Call me crazy if you'd like, but the only way I am taking home an LS1 goat is if I get it under 50k miles and for $11k or less.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
02-08-2011, 06:43 PM
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Prices are outrageous here as well. Trying to find an LS2 6 speed under 50k miles for ~$15k is almost impossible. LS1s are just not in demand, that's why they are cheap. Call me crazy if you'd like, but the only way I am taking home an LS1 goat is if I get it under 50k miles and for $11k or less.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
ls1 GTOs are heavier and make less HP i dont see how theyre just as fast as ls1 fbodies stock.
id say ls2 GTOs are fbodies are a pretty even race.
02-08-2011, 07:10 PM
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Prices are outrageous here as well. Trying to find an LS2 6 speed under 50k miles for ~$15k is almost impossible. LS1s are just not in demand, that's why they are cheap. Call me crazy if you'd like, but the only way I am taking home an LS1 goat is if I get it under 50k miles and for $11k or less.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
FWIW, the LS1 goat record is just as fast as the f-body record IIRC. LS2 record is faster....good races all around though.
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
big deal breaker.
02-08-2011, 07:28 PM
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Ls2 goats are quick as ls1 fbodys, but ls1 goats are slightly slower than fbodys because of the weight.
I know in my situation I would want a new car that is quick as my old car was because I'm not the type of car enthusiast that starts swapping cam and heads within first year of owning a car. Nor do I want to later go hunting for a ram air hood, rear bumper and get it painted to match properly.
I know in my situation I would want a new car that is quick as my old car was because I'm not the type of car enthusiast that starts swapping cam and heads within first year of owning a car. Nor do I want to later go hunting for a ram air hood, rear bumper and get it painted to match properly.
02-08-2011, 08:20 PM
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Given equal drivers, the f-body should win, but it's close enough that it can come out either way. The MN12 also helps the GTO at lower speeds, but that's just another small point.
Did you read what I said at all? There is a lot more to it than the 18ci. If the bores were the same, I'd have no problem getting a LS1 GTO...if they had the hood and other bumper in place already. Those are things I don't want to spend money on. I can spend the money from a bumper & hood on a ported FAST. I would rather have the LS2 for the ability to use the block for a 402+ stroker and ability to use the L92/LS3 heads. It's NOT about the cubes, it's about the bore and the appearance.
You must own an LS1 GTO, because you seem hurt by people not wanting one.
02-08-2011, 08:34 PM
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LS1 GTOs make less power than what? LS1 from an f-body = LS1 from a GTO, the body that goes around it makes the difference.
Given equal drivers, the f-body should win, but it's close enough that it can come out either way. The MN12 also helps the GTO at lower speeds, but that's just another small point.
Did you read what I said at all? There is a lot more to it than the 18ci. If the bores were the same, I'd have no problem getting a LS1 GTO...if they had the hood and other bumper in place already. Those are things I don't want to spend money on. I can spend the money from a bumper & hood on a ported FAST. I would rather have the LS2 for the ability to use the block for a 402+ stroker and ability to use the L92/LS3 heads. It's NOT about the cubes, it's about the bore and the appearance.
You must own an LS1 GTO, because you seem hurt by people not wanting one.
Given equal drivers, the f-body should win, but it's close enough that it can come out either way. The MN12 also helps the GTO at lower speeds, but that's just another small point.
Did you read what I said at all? There is a lot more to it than the 18ci. If the bores were the same, I'd have no problem getting a LS1 GTO...if they had the hood and other bumper in place already. Those are things I don't want to spend money on. I can spend the money from a bumper & hood on a ported FAST. I would rather have the LS2 for the ability to use the block for a 402+ stroker and ability to use the L92/LS3 heads. It's NOT about the cubes, it's about the bore and the appearance.
You must own an LS1 GTO, because you seem hurt by people not wanting one.
GTOs IRS takes away some power.
02-08-2011, 08:41 PM
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Lol, no they're not.
Thank you!
Thanks again!
Wrong, 346ci. The bigger bore of the LS2 is what's really appealing to me. Opens up 402+ci options, as well as the use of L92/LS3 heads. LS2 > LS1 same as LS1 > LT1. You'd also have to add the different rear bumper to have dual exhaust, the hood is somewhat expensive, etc. You left that out.
Thanks again!
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02-08-2011, 09:36 PM
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whats wrong with the 04? thay are the same car. oh the 14 cubes the 05/06 has? big deal. dual exhaust, add it. then bam same car. makes no sense to spend thousands more for an 05/06 when a nice 04 can be had for way less. the money saved can go to go fast mods.
04 - 350ci 5.7, plain hood, dual exhaust exit driver side only
05 - 364ci 6.0, "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust
06 - 364ci 6.0 "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust, black tail lights, controls on steering wheel light upbuy and 04 add the fallowing;
dual exhaust
the "ram" air hood
black 06 tail lights
and go fast parts
then you have an "06" gto with mods and money in you're pocket. you're welcome.
. dual exhaust, add it. then bam same car. makes no sense to spend thousands more for an 05/06 when a nice 04 can be had for way less. the money saved can go to go fast mods.04 - 350ci 5.7, plain hood, dual exhaust exit driver side only
05 - 364ci 6.0, "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust
06 - 364ci 6.0 "ram" air hood, split dual exhaust, black tail lights, controls on steering wheel light upbuy and 04 add the fallowing;
dual exhaust
the "ram" air hood
black 06 tail lights
and go fast parts
then you have an "06" gto with mods and money in you're pocket. you're welcome.
