Why do some 4th gen sellers think they're sitting on a goldmine?
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While surprising, I thought about it a bit and wonder if those didn't go so high just because they were wanted strictly for a show car which wasn't missing anything else. It seems unreasonable to pay so much for any other type of car and apparently there are a couple people who were in need. Again, surprising to see.
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While surprising, I thought about it a bit and wonder if those didn't go so high just because they were wanted strictly for a show car which wasn't missing anything else. It seems unreasonable to pay so much for any other type of car and apparently there are a couple people who were in need. Again, surprising to see.
This is the sort of thing that many collectors do. I've done this myself with certain 4th gen parts before they were discontinued by GM, perhaps this individual wasn't able or interested in stocking up on parts when they could still be had at MSRP.
$775 does seem like a lot for floor mats, but as I mentioned earlier the price structure for top tier collector items (be it parts or entire cars) is often well beyond what people not interested/not in the market would find to be reasonable. Collectors don't really care if it's "a lot", so long as they can afford it and it's the "cheapest" and/or only one available.
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just for kicks i was shopping autotrader today, found alot of decent deals, on ls1 camaros and some on vettes. but when i looked at firebirds i was blown away. most ls1 t/a's were reasonable enough, but my god, i counted 20 firebirds from 1982-1992 for 9-11k. some with high miles and in decent shape, an 82 firebird for 10k??? wtf i understand yes they are extinct but come on.
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Right.... years ago a friend of mine picked up and old WS6, like an 84/5, whichever the 1st yr was... anyway, he overpaid imo even though he only gave 1500... but it was an Ohio rust bucket.
That said, there are probably more "significant" 3rd gen versions or at least "special" in some way, things than 4th. Like the 2.5L 4cyl engine... 3rd gen only...
It was several things no other F-body was before or again. Is it worth more? Like everything, it depends on the buyer of that particular car.
That said, there are probably more "significant" 3rd gen versions or at least "special" in some way, things than 4th. Like the 2.5L 4cyl engine... 3rd gen only...
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So here is the one I am seriously considering:
2002 Black WS6 - 6 Speed manual
pretty much bone stock
This is what I know (from seller):
Seller is the third owner.
No tears, rips, cracks in the dash, interior, seats etc.
No leaks in T-tops or hatch.
120,000 miles.
Never been wrecked.
Is currently in NC, has never been subjected to salt or other road chemicals (garage kept)
He claims 29MPG/Highway 23MPG/in town
Asking price $9800 (I am going to start my offer about $8000)
What is your opinion??
I have never tried posting pics or videos but I am going to try. Does anyone know what the "whine" is? (in the video)
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2002 Black WS6 - 6 Speed manual
pretty much bone stock
This is what I know (from seller):
Seller is the third owner.
No tears, rips, cracks in the dash, interior, seats etc.
No leaks in T-tops or hatch.
120,000 miles.
Never been wrecked.
Is currently in NC, has never been subjected to salt or other road chemicals (garage kept)
He claims 29MPG/Highway 23MPG/in town
Asking price $9800 (I am going to start my offer about $8000)
What is your opinion??
I have never tried posting pics or videos but I am going to try. Does anyone know what the "whine" is? (in the video)
Photos
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Nothing about the above example would be worth $9800 to me. I'd be willing to pay more than most for the "right" car, but with 3 owners and 120k miles, it wouldn't be the "right" car for me even at a lower price. Then again, I also wouldn't want black or an M6, so I'm not even in the market for such a car to begin with.
If that's the best price you've been able to find for one that has the exact options and condition you want, then it's probably worth considering. You'd have to inspect it in person to really know what issues it has and whether or not it's worth buying.
If that's the best price you've been able to find for one that has the exact options and condition you want, then it's probably worth considering. You'd have to inspect it in person to really know what issues it has and whether or not it's worth buying.
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So here is the one I am seriously considering:
2002 Black WS6 - 6 Speed manual
pretty much bone stock
This is what I know (from seller):
Seller is the third owner.
No tears, rips, cracks in the dash, interior, seats etc.
No leaks in T-tops or hatch.
120,000 miles.
Never been wrecked.
Is currently in NC, has never been subjected to salt or other road chemicals (garage kept)
He claims 29MPG/Highway 23MPG/in town
Asking price $9800 (I am going to start my offer about $8000)
What is your opinion??
I have never tried posting pics or videos but I am going to try. Does anyone know what the "whine" is? (in the video)
http://youtu.be/00L-1Y8qS6Y
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2002 Black WS6 - 6 Speed manual
pretty much bone stock
This is what I know (from seller):
Seller is the third owner.
No tears, rips, cracks in the dash, interior, seats etc.
No leaks in T-tops or hatch.
120,000 miles.
Never been wrecked.
Is currently in NC, has never been subjected to salt or other road chemicals (garage kept)
He claims 29MPG/Highway 23MPG/in town
Asking price $9800 (I am going to start my offer about $8000)
What is your opinion??
I have never tried posting pics or videos but I am going to try. Does anyone know what the "whine" is? (in the video)
http://youtu.be/00L-1Y8qS6Y
Photos
Way to much money, keep looking there are some nice cars out there for $10K
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Nothing about the above example would be worth $9800 to me. I'd be willing to pay more than most for the "right" car, but with 3 owners and 120k miles, it wouldn't be the "right" car for me even at a lower price. Then again, I also wouldn't want black or an M6, so I'm not even in the market for such a car to begin with.
If that's the best price you've been able to find for one that has the exact options and condition you want, then it's probably worth considering. You'd have to inspect it in person to really know what issues it has and whether or not it's worth buying.
If that's the best price you've been able to find for one that has the exact options and condition you want, then it's probably worth considering. You'd have to inspect it in person to really know what issues it has and whether or not it's worth buying.
Thanks!
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If the car is everything the guy says it is, which is usually hard to find on a 120K car AND there is a ton of maintenance records that come with the car then $7500-8K would be about right. Its just a 120K mile car though, you could buy it this week and it could throw a rod, drop a gear in the trans or smoke the rear end gear next week.
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I'm with them. Better examples are likely available at the price.
3 owners turns me off because after the 2nd owner, reality sometimes gets lost and you may not at all be able to verify the facts, like no crashes or actual mileage or engine/transmission damage, a blown rear, whatever. You couldn't even tell if the interior had been replaced if it were done well and who would tell you if they didn't know? Then you'd have to bring a pro with you to search for issues and it gets hairy as to what's found and who agrees, etc.
In other words, too many variables.
3 owners turns me off because after the 2nd owner, reality sometimes gets lost and you may not at all be able to verify the facts, like no crashes or actual mileage or engine/transmission damage, a blown rear, whatever. You couldn't even tell if the interior had been replaced if it were done well and who would tell you if they didn't know? Then you'd have to bring a pro with you to search for issues and it gets hairy as to what's found and who agrees, etc.
In other words, too many variables.
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Here is a question, some of you ( if not all ) are looking for that low milage, 1 owner, and no modds and a real good price. What are you going to do with the car ? collect it, stick it in a climate controlled garage and watch your kids get old or what. I'm not being a ******* or anything, but I just really would like to know
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Here is a question, some of you ( if not all ) are looking for that low milage, 1 owner, and no modds and a real good price. What are you going to do with the car ? collect it, stick it in a climate controlled garage and watch your kids get old or what. I'm not being a ******* or anything, but I just really would like to know
Like I said before, I bought a car I couldn't afford 14 years ago for 1/2 of what it costs new and its still basically a new car. I am gonna enjoy it, drive the heck out of it. If I put 2000 miles a year on whats it worth in 10 years with 20K miles? I dont care!
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If you think 10k is good for that one... Maybe 12.5k would be for this one... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-Z-28-Z-28-Z-28-SS-SLP-2001-Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-SS-SLP-345RWHP-Convertible-2-/131116939363?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1e872db863&item=131116939363&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
To me, it wouldn't either way... The one above shows 5 owners even though the add claims this owner is a private seller... looks a tad fishy.
I'd have more interest in this... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Firebird-ws6-2002-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-Coupe-2-Door-5-7L-/141195861256?forcerrptr=true&hash=item20dfeddd08&item=141195861256&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
or can you drive awhile?? If so, you may find interest in one like this.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Trans-Am-Trans-Am-Coupe-T-Tops-2001-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-5-7L-V8-Auto-1-Owner-Low-/380840140701?forcerrptr=true&hash=item58abd75f9d&item=380840140701&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
It's more than the one you showed, but doesn't it look better? I couldn't tell what the other one looks like, but I can sure see this one and it's nice. Just over 1/2 the mileage too, for a couple grand more... and 1 owner, not 3-5...
To me, it wouldn't either way... The one above shows 5 owners even though the add claims this owner is a private seller... looks a tad fishy.
I'd have more interest in this... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Firebird-ws6-2002-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-Coupe-2-Door-5-7L-/141195861256?forcerrptr=true&hash=item20dfeddd08&item=141195861256&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
or can you drive awhile?? If so, you may find interest in one like this.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Trans-Am-Trans-Am-Coupe-T-Tops-2001-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-5-7L-V8-Auto-1-Owner-Low-/380840140701?forcerrptr=true&hash=item58abd75f9d&item=380840140701&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
It's more than the one you showed, but doesn't it look better? I couldn't tell what the other one looks like, but I can sure see this one and it's nice. Just over 1/2 the mileage too, for a couple grand more... and 1 owner, not 3-5...
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Here is a question, some of you ( if not all ) are looking for that low milage, 1 owner, and no modds and a real good price. What are you going to do with the car ? collect it, stick it in a climate controlled garage and watch your kids get old or what. I'm not being a ******* or anything, but I just really would like to know
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Here's the deal, I am going to make a long story short here. I have a disease that is really beginning to take it's toll on me, I am losing my memory, my motor skills, MY LIFE and the sad part is, had I known I had it years ago, I could have gotten treatment and I would be ok now. This car isn't just about having a new toy, she is going to be turned into a "rolling billboard" if you will, so that people will have no choice but to see the awareness ribbon (and other info) on the back. Yes, I will be adding mods, Yes, I will be taking her to the drag strip and Hell yes, I can't wait. The biggest point of it all is to raise awareness for all of the people that have this AWFUL disease and don't even know it because they are being lied to and misdiagnosed so the big pharmaceutical companies can line their pockets! *RANT OVER* With that being said, she isn't going to just sit in my garage only to be driven on Sunday and be shown off to my grand kids one day. I have owned 3 F-body's in the past and as for a hobby, they are my passion. I don't have a lot of money and I will eventually have to start looking for sponsors, but in the mean time, I have to get moving on something before I LITERALLY can't turn a wrench or even walk! So, if anyone knows of where I can find a 1998-2002 BLACK or WHITE WS6 somewhere near SOUTH CAROLINA, In great physical condition, decent miles and less than $10,000 PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!! Also, if you are interested in becoming a sponsor, let me know that as well. THANK YOU!!!
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