omg, i hate my stubborn parents...
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Originally Posted by BREAKPARTS
tell your parents if you get an import you will be exited to put on a spoiler wing and streetrace it every where cuz rice rockets are whippin d's on mc donalds trays nowadays, and thats the ****!
is it cool for me to have this in my sig? thats one of the funnies thing i've heard.
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Originally Posted by staringback05
so many minors so little time before they wreck whats left of the ls1s lol
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Originally Posted by Firebirdfan
The only problem is that my parents think that because the car has that kind of mileage, it's total crap.
[They] refuse to listen to why the LS1 is a great engine.
[They] refuse to listen to why the LS1 is a great engine.
Clutch needed replacing
A total of 3 power window motors needed replacing
Replaced 2 headlight motors
Monsoon speaker replaced
Replaced Rotors
Synchros needed replacing
And the big one, I shot the gears out of the rear differential.
As you can see that's over $5k in repairs out of pocket on a NEW T/A (the rear differential, clutch, and rotors were NOT covered by warranty, but everything else was).
Yes the LS1 may be one of GM's best engines, however it's not only the engine you have to worry about. GM cut some corners with the f-body, and it definitely shows in build quality. Pretty much every problem I named is a common occurance on these cars.
Now the f-body is a GREAT car, and I would love to have another one, but you are deceiving yourself if you think that it's the greatest car built, and will never have any problems.
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I agree with stealth, these cars are great but do have some build quality issues. Look at this thread:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/new-ls1-owners-newbie-tech/530829-what-has-gone-out-your-f-body.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/new-ls1-owners-newbie-tech/530829-what-has-gone-out-your-f-body.html
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If your parents used to be in the "car" scene when they were younger they prolly think that these cars have been driven into the ground by racing and hotrodding, and a car that had 60,000+mile in that condition prolly is going to be problematic.
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Originally Posted by Firebirdfan
For the last time, THEY ARE NOT BUYING THE CAR! We will probably trade the montana in and use the trade in money to pay off a lot of the car. I will pay the difference!!!
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Originally Posted by Swang
ok, so theyre not buying a car, theyre still paying 8-9k...thats a gift. i'd say what you want, and plead your case, but if it doesnt work, let it be. I would've killed for a 13k car in high school. I've paid for my truck, and I paid for my car with my share of farm money. I was lucky and fortunate, yes, but, I didn't bitch at 16 when i got a 5 year old grand prix and not the trans am that I wanted. Be happy with it, there are many people here that would like a gift like that. If you dont want it, then let them keep their van and you spend the 4k difference on a car for yourself and buy a 10 year old high mileage piece GT or z28. just be grateful
Thanks for saying this, so now I don't have to type it out.
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dont listen to these guys saying your spoiled and stuff cause your parents are helping you afford a car. im going to college this fall, 3 days. i have a 2000 t/a that i bought for 9800 with 59000 miles on it. i only got it 2 weeks ago. its better just to wait to find a newer one that is listed at an outrageous price. you have an entire year to look so i know your gonna come across something. i waited 3 months and passed up many cars in my price range because they didnt have what i wanted. then i found this one and talked him all the way down to 9800 and its a 6 speed, and has every option except traction control. just wait till you find the right deal.
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Originally Posted by idrivesh!t
dont listen to these guys saying your spoiled and stuff cause your parents are helping you afford a car.
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haha ur parents are probably right, u will put in alot of $$$ into car cus u will be racing it and brk **** and if not u will want to mod it up to make it quicker.
trust me its a money pit
trust me its a money pit
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There is no way I would buy a 99 with 70k on it. It isn't the engine you have to worry about. It is the rear-end, the front shock mounts, windows, the seats wearing out finally, the rear-end leaking at the driveshaft, posi-traction. You just know the guy seriously tore the crap out of the car before he brought it in.
At close to 8 years old the car isn't a car for a college kid. One ticket or accident and the insurance will rape you.
Plus what you really want is the same car at 2000+ that way you don't have to worry about EGR crap. It will become a nightmare in the end.
It is the sole reason I sold my 99 Z28 with 17k in aftermarket parts on it. Emissions testing came to my area and it would have cost me WAY to much to down grade my car. So I sold it and bought a EGRless LS1 and was WAY happier (the O2 sensors just would not heat up in time for an emissions test to past despite passing the sniffer test).
Plus if you find a TA that isn't a WS6 a plastic badge and an aftermarket hood are a lot cheaper than the extra cash you have to shell out for the stupid code on the inside of the door. You can save the cash and spend it on the nightmare changing the front shocks on the F-Body.
At close to 8 years old the car isn't a car for a college kid. One ticket or accident and the insurance will rape you.
Plus what you really want is the same car at 2000+ that way you don't have to worry about EGR crap. It will become a nightmare in the end.
It is the sole reason I sold my 99 Z28 with 17k in aftermarket parts on it. Emissions testing came to my area and it would have cost me WAY to much to down grade my car. So I sold it and bought a EGRless LS1 and was WAY happier (the O2 sensors just would not heat up in time for an emissions test to past despite passing the sniffer test).
Plus if you find a TA that isn't a WS6 a plastic badge and an aftermarket hood are a lot cheaper than the extra cash you have to shell out for the stupid code on the inside of the door. You can save the cash and spend it on the nightmare changing the front shocks on the F-Body.
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Originally Posted by StealthZ06
I hate to break it to you, but it's not like F-bodies are praised for their build quality. I got a '99 Trans Am brand spanking new in 1999 and had the following problems before 35k miles on the clock...
Clutch needed replacing
A total of 3 power window motors needed replacing
Replaced 2 headlight motors
Monsoon speaker replaced
Replaced Rotors
Synchros needed replacing
And the big one, I shot the gears out of the rear differential.
As you can see that's over $5k in repairs out of pocket on a NEW T/A (the rear differential, clutch, and rotors were NOT covered by warranty, but everything else was).
Yes the LS1 may be one of GM's best engines, however it's not only the engine you have to worry about. GM cut some corners with the f-body, and it definitely shows in build quality. Pretty much every problem I named is a common occurance on these cars.
Now the f-body is a GREAT car, and I would love to have another one, but you are deceiving yourself if you think that it's the greatest car built, and will never have any problems.
Clutch needed replacing
A total of 3 power window motors needed replacing
Replaced 2 headlight motors
Monsoon speaker replaced
Replaced Rotors
Synchros needed replacing
And the big one, I shot the gears out of the rear differential.
As you can see that's over $5k in repairs out of pocket on a NEW T/A (the rear differential, clutch, and rotors were NOT covered by warranty, but everything else was).
Yes the LS1 may be one of GM's best engines, however it's not only the engine you have to worry about. GM cut some corners with the f-body, and it definitely shows in build quality. Pretty much every problem I named is a common occurance on these cars.
Now the f-body is a GREAT car, and I would love to have another one, but you are deceiving yourself if you think that it's the greatest car built, and will never have any problems.
i couldnt have owned my sports cars when i was in school, there is a lot of responsibilty and a lot of headaches that go along with owning that kind of car while your trying to continue an education its best to save money while your in school. than buy three or four f-bods after you graduate. just a suggestion
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Originally Posted by Genesis_26317
Case in point at age 24, 05 Honda Accord = $3200/year, 98 Camaro Z28, $2300/year...
All young men have high insurance, the only way to lower it is to drive a cheap old car and get older.
Repair Costs:
HI stands for home install.
Not Absolutely Necessary
$400 Rotors HI
$50 Pads HI
High Mileage Requirements
$90 Power Steering Flush
$90 Break System Work (get the stainless steel lines you will LOVE them)
$75 Tranny Flush
$50 Radiator Flush
$100 Catalytic Converters
Broken/Replaced
$85 Window Motors HI
$20 Vacuum Hose (took forever to find the leak) HI
$200 Front Shocks HI (actually broken from but it really is my fault)
$200 Front Shock Cups HI (etc, good luck getting it done by a shop)
$120 Rear-End Seal HI BTW do NOT let someone jack you car up buy using the differential case!!!
My front tires only lasted ~10k miles, I had an alignment done every 2 months with a 3 year as-many-times-as-you-want-plan.
My repair costs are nothing compared to lets say my fathers Ford Ranger or my Grandmother Taurus but I am INCREDIBLY gentle on cars. That is almost certainly not the case of the car you will be buying. When I say gentle my car never really went over 3000 rpms. I mean that too, probably less than 100 times.
It doesn't sound like much but that stuff was all home repairs. It would problably cost 2k in repair work added on to higher cost for parts as well. The front shocks where a nightmare.
The car is more than likely in need of a good bit of work right off the bat. It more than likely at least needs a tranny fluid change.
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