WiseAssJester

Finite1, you're argueing on fallacy about now. And your making import guys look kind of ignorant.


Anyways, to the original topic.

I've got a well built 355 SCB in a 79 Z28. I haven't dynoed it and I haven't had it running at the same time a track has been open. However, from a roll and from a dig, I've smoked Evos and STIs something fierce. All before the nitrous.

The body work, from factory, I think is one of the prime reasons the import market has such a foot hold today. The car is in excellent condition, never been in even a fender bender, and the body panels have had quarter inch and larger gaps between them. And thats all since long before I put the street radials on.

Now I've got an 88 Supra turbo five speed(for sale, to boot). The body lines are excellent, the car looks great and well put togather. Theres a definate quality look on the outside. Inside is just the same, everything feels right there and comfortable. The chair sits up right and is very adjustable(my biggest beef with my Z28 is that it was designed for a 6'5" beastman with almost no adjustability to the seat).

Purely from a power standpoint, I suppose the car does well. Never been a Honda/Nissan/VW thats kept up. Though I imagine a stock SRT4 would walk it. Its a pretty heavy car. And at 200k miles with the only major repairs being a headgasket replacement, a timing chain, and a clutch slave cylinder, I'd say the car has with stood the test of time.

My two cars are a decade apart, but its obvious how the import market could have got started. I think if American quality and worksmanship could increase, and if American ingeniuty and engineering continue to step up domestic cars could start to rise in popularity again.

I've also got two 2.2litre turbo/nitrous cars on hand to reference boost vs displacement. Keeping in mind, of course, that 2.2 liters at 14.5 PSI(at my altitude) very roughly comes to 4.4. And 5.7 at the same boost is nuts almost to the point of being wrong.

Finite1

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237 on a 2.2 4 cylinder.. sorry

Finite1

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I'm no expert.


get some real import guys in here who know there **** and they'll shut you down every time.


I'm flying solo right now

Camaroz

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No need to point that out... I noticed

WiseAssJester

Fallacy means you're argueing off of bad/false/no information.

Other guys have referenced fact and literature. You're just standing there telling everyone else they're wrong.

Its kind of retahded not to think that maybe, with that sort of attitude, people are going to resent you.

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I know you do, i can read, i was wondering if you were ever gonna quit sucking Japans Dick for one second so you could stop and realize that you drive a F'in American car!!! so quit ******* complaining about how bad american cars suck....if that is the case then, why dont you just sell your car and get a damn maxima?

RPM WS6

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No kidding,

Clearly Finite1 is only interested in arguing based on opinion and not FACT. Arguing opinions is pointless, because there is no right or wrong answer, it's a personal choice.

Finite1

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well because basically you are wrong.

point out something ANYTHING that I stated falsely or non-factual that wasn't corrected by me or somone else.. maybe my numbers weren't perfec.. I'm going off the top of my head.

so the japanese engines dont make more power per liter than an American?


hah.

Finite1

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you guys are all bias because you're stubborn. thats cool tho.. whatever works to keep you happy.

RPM WS6

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If by "knowing their ****" you mean they have even more opinion based arguements to give us, then it's a waste of our time.

If knowing their **** means that they actually have FACTS to discuss, then we'd all be on the same page.

FACT: For many years in past decades, asian cars were well ahead of their domestic counterparts in many catigories (never really power/torque though).

FACT: Toady, GM quality rankings are very near their asian rivals, even surpassing them in some catigories. It is true that some GM models still fall short of some asian competitors, but on average GM is right there with the asian companies. I have posted links to FACTS confirming this. If you choose to ignore the facts, that's YOUR problem.

So I really don't see how some import guy is gonna shut me down? My arguement is based in FACT.

RPM WS6

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Show me ANY fact that I have pointed out that is wrong. ANY fact.

Then, we'd have an actual debate. You are going off opinion, not fact. No one will ever win that debate.

Finite1

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Sales forecasting groups at all global automotive forecasting and advisory firms are projecting sales to descend to a nine-year low in 2007 for US models.

oh well

Camaroz

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Wow that argument has been beaten to death.

Smearin

hp/litre is ricer math..

RPM WS6

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I thought that the japs were all about MPG???? That's funny,

The 5.3L domestic V8 is 34% larger in displacement than the 3.5L V6 from Nissan or Toyota.

BUT

The Nissan only gets 10% better MPG, and Toyota only 20% better MPG even though they have a 34% smaller motor with two less cylinders.

So much for better Jap technology.

Finite1

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why is the camry the best selling sedan in the country?

coincedence?

Finite1

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GM's market share is below 20% and GM is slimming down, buying out workers, cutting costs.

this is happening right now people.. why is that?

why is Ford under 17%? why is Crysler under 13%


all American companies are collapsing and companies like Toyota and Nissan will pick up the pieces...


face it.


I'm done.

RPM WS6

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Ok lets bounce around with the arguements then.

Why are the best selling overall vehicles for 2006 in this country F-series pickups (#1) and Silverados (#2)?

The Camry is in 3rd place, only #1 in passenger cars sales.

RPM WS6

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Dude, you're grasping at straws. You can't even stick to one segment of an arguement becasue you won't separate facts from opinions.

FACT: GM is still the #1 automaker in the world in terms of sales. So if you want go by that reasoning, then until Toyota surpasses them in sales, GM is still better.

Finite1

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are you illiterate?? do you read? can you grasp the concept of reading market reports..

go to forbes or somthing and learn a thing or two.


you must be KIDDING yourself


most the japanese makers dont make heavy duty trucks... how can they win in a market they dont even produce for.

i ASSURE you, if they actually tried to produce in these markets, they'd beat the Americans....

they do it in every other category.