97' Z28

I cant diss the cobra's, cause they can beat an f-body. Then you could look at it a diff. way. If you were to put a supercharger on a ls1, the cobra wouldnt stand a chance. Therefore, having just a gt and a ls1, the ls1 would own it!

bww3588

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what the fact that its blown and it only makes 40 more HP than a bone stock N/A LS1? or the fact that its a $65k car? . not to mention, it has better exhaust from the factory. but wait, its 65 cubes smaller so that makes it superior.

burnzilla

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Same power?

The 4.6 is anywhere from a 260-305 hp motor, with 290-300 tq.
the 5.7 is anywhere from a 305-345 hp motor, with 315-340 tq.

Mr. Pink

Mustang VS Camaro raged, rages now, and always will rage. It spawns factory and aftermarket advances and spurs tons of capitol spending (think about just mustang and camaro specific sales, race events, marketing, meets, aftermarket, merchandising, etc...) and each makes each other a better product in the end. I drive a foxbody mustang because its a natural drag chassis basically out of the box, and I can squeeze more 1/4 performance per dollar out of it than any other car. The GM cars have their virtues as well, but I'm not interested in them.

Coy

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Yeah, I hear a-lot of retardation in this thread.

Coy

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Stupid argument from four years ago.

secondgearscratch

another ls1 vs. stang debate.....i guess its time to **** of a few more people....

i dont understand why the ford gt keeps getting brought up. thats irrelevant but i 'll get back to that.

i thought this debate was base f-body vs. base stang. let me shed some light on that battle. its not even a close race between the two. stock gts are pigs and i know because ive raced them. they get owned from a dig, ehich yes is more driver dependant but they will get owned nonetheless. from a roll its just silly. now people are saying that it isnt fair to compare the two because of the difference in displacement. is it my fault that ford decided to develop a 4.6 in order to compete with a 5.7 liter? is it my fault that my 02 s10 with the 4.3 is almost as big as the stang engine and on street tires would only be alittle behind?
comparing apples to apples is almost impossible because the base engines of the two companies vary so greatly. i love the old "the terminator will kill an f-body" god damn thats a revelation isnt it? its got a supercharger blowing in 8 pounds.
Mach 1s and base f-bodies are a good match up because they have similar numbers and atleast mach 1s can hold their own for a while.

secondgearscratch

need i bring up the car and driver issue where they put the stang owners wet dream up against a c6?
only .6 of a liter differenc this time becauseof the god like 5.4 liter ford took from the gt. what else was there.....Oh yeah, a BLOWER running 8.5 psi.
both are 6 speeds, both around the same price.
there is a weight difference yes but if i recall the only speed category the gt500 bested the c6 (not z06) in was like 50-70mph lane change.
i hate to sound like the typical f-body owner but that is pathetic.
and everyone likes terminators, even if you're brand loyal.

what was the point of this again.......................

JayplaySS

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Not true. They perform VERY fairly but the cost involved in just bolting on a blower onto an LS1 is considerable to be able to handle 25lbs of boost where you can do that with ANY 03-04 Cobra.

I have had both cars, about 8 of each over the years.

Totally different in every way. Build is better in the Ford but Chevy more than makes up for it in the modabiliity of the LS1.

LS1 hydo clutch sucks most of the time. No room for duals. Crap rear out of an S10..?? Oh and the good ol hump in the floor.

Modability of the LS1

Mustang is a bit low in power due to smaller engine size and OHC but that is only compared to the LS1. Look at hp/ltr and they are very similar in power.
350hp/5.7=61.4 HP/LTR stock LS1
300hp/4.6=65.2 HP/LTR stock GT
Smaller engines breath smaller ammounts of air.

This wouldnt be a post if the LT1 was still the only GM performance engine, but the LS1 is that great and makes MOST cars look tame.

Atleast we have choices. Im scared the new Camaro will top 3700lbs.

Coy

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It is a good thing, because they spend less money/time/work making power. To do the same thing in an forced induction LS1, you have to build a forged bottom end, and then do the FI, and I hear a-lot of crying about horsepower per dollar from the LS1 camp.


EDIT: Didn't see the post above mine when I posted.

02 Camaro SS

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I know the specs and I'm far from disappointed. How about comparing the LS6 to the Cobra R engine? I've seen dozens of Z06s around yet I've seen 1 Cobra R in person. Like someone mention before, if you want to talk about limite production special edition vehicles, how about the ZL1? And once again, who told Ford to build a 4.6? And I think 8 lbs of boost should more than make up for the 2.4 liter difference (closer to 50% bigger by the way, not twice as big). Run what you brung.

Coy

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Smartest thing posted in this entire thread.

JayplaySS

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This is the dumbest waste of time trying to reason any of this. Unit needs to slap a "run what ya brung" lock on these stupid threads.

Ford IS going back to ohv I heard though....?? ANyone.

Mr. Pink

The "Hurricane" series engines, but I beleive they are modular style motors?? It got developed, put on hold, and now they are bringing it back for a test run in the next gen Fseries, and if that passes with flying colors, putting it in performance apps.

Again, both have benefits, both have drawbacks. Its a matter of taste, people who stick through brand loyalty and play with cars that are junk or just ill-suited for their purposes are idiots. If Mustangs couldn't do what I wanted, I'd drive something else that did.

Genesis_26317

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This thread is getting way to snippy...

bww3588

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right, and the money you save buying an LS1 and building it to hold a blower over the cost of an 03 Cobra now.........please. your still looking at a 25k car versus a 10k car.


agreed.....but easily solved with a 1/8 inch drill bit and some beat off time taken away.
disagreed.....as proven in this thread
agreed......which is why you can pick up an LS1 for $10k, i can still upgrade it for cheaper than you can upgrade your Cobra IRS with the toothpick like halfshafts. so there goes that argument.
who gives a ****, do you sit over there?

oh god, not HP/Liter argument, you sound like every ricer ive ever met, not to mention thoes douche bags on that show from England. using that logic a 1.8 liter honda is very similar in power to the LS1. that is not and never will be a valid argument to compare to cars that are clearly within miles of eachother in the power department.

bww3588

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bottom line, stock for stock...........
LS1>N/A SOHC 4.6
LS1=N/A DOHC 4.6
LS1<Blown DOHC 4.6

germeezy1

No one used to believe me that between an LS1 F-body and a 99-01 Cobra that it was a drivers race. But I have numerous LS1 kills to prove that wrong.

bww3588

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i beleive it, even though the LS1 has about 40 more (+/-) hp then the DOHC 4.6, the mustangs weigh a **** hair less which evens it out.

germeezy1

But then again I don't race from a dig EVER! So from a dig with all that damn wheel hop they are at a big disadvantage. But from a low roll they hook up really good because of the powerband.