427 Mustang vs. Me
08-20-2007, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chae
My full-weight (fully optioned) 1999 Camaro Z28 hardtop 6-speed weighs 3360 without driver.
08-23-2007, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by The Black Mamba
$50k would also get you into a GT500, which would DOMINATE your corvette. Whats your point slick?
I was crushing GT500's with my C5Z even before the LS7 upgrade - now I give them a 1/8 head start
08-23-2007, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by The Black Mamba
$50k would also get you into a GT500, which would DOMINATE your corvette. Whats your point slick?
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...500-page4.html
thats for the gt500
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...and-specs.html
thats for a ls2 equiped corvette 12.6 1/4
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...nce-page3.html
for a ls3 corvette 12.4 1/4
looks like the corvettes doing just fine.
And it doesn't look like a rolling pep boys commercial.
08-23-2007, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ws6gluemaker
the gt500 is a pig. 12.5 in the 1/4 was the best i've seen for one in a published mag. 3900 lbs and 500hp. the stock corvette would be ok.
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...500-page4.html
thats for the gt500
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...and-specs.html
thats for a ls2 equiped corvette 12.6 1/4
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...nce-page3.html
for a ls3 corvette 12.4 1/4
looks like the corvettes doing just fine.
And it doesn't look like a rolling pep boys commercial.
http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...500-page4.html
thats for the gt500
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...and-specs.html
thats for a ls2 equiped corvette 12.6 1/4
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...nce-page3.html
for a ls3 corvette 12.4 1/4
looks like the corvettes doing just fine.
And it doesn't look like a rolling pep boys commercial.
08-23-2007, 10:53 PM
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Saw an all black "427R" Stang at a local Ford dealership today. Looked pretty mean, but I don't think it is intended for the "budget" performance niche. More of a collector car like a Saleen, Roush, etc.
08-24-2007, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jeremy02
How bad would I lose to a Mustang with a "427R" in it if I had a 2000 Trans Am with headers, cat back, and Ypipe.
Does anyone question if the 2000 Trans Am auto or manual? " " the year of the 427R?Doesn't the 2007 427R make 435 hp with 400# torque?
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08-24-2007, 09:44 AM
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Have a friend with one and he's a pretty good driver too. He traps mid to low 13's between 106-109 usually. The car is a hardtop and its not impressive for the money he spent on it. Its all looks.
08-24-2007, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
It's not fully optioned if it's hard top.....(T-tops)...J/K That's alot lighter than I thought...but I was mostly thinking full as in WS6/SS. BUt thanks for the info.
My mistake
08-24-2007, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakes Dad
So, what I learned by reading this is everyone thinks Fords sucks and F-Bodies rule
Does anyone question if the 2000 Trans Am auto or manual?
" " the year of the 427R?
Doesn't the 2007 427R make 435 hp with 400# torque?
Jake & I love LS1Tech
Does anyone question if the 2000 Trans Am auto or manual? " " the year of the 427R?Doesn't the 2007 427R make 435 hp with 400# torque?
Jake & I love LS1Tech
08-24-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunset'01Z
doesnt a stock ls1 make about 350-370 fwhp? doesnt a ls1 with headers and bolt ons make over 400 fwhp? kthnx. fords suck, fbodies rule.
08-25-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
How is low 12s faster than low 12s? 
And The Black Mamba, R U sure the Fbod weighs 3600?...that is almost terminator weight.
And The Black Mamba, R U sure the Fbod weighs 3600?...that is almost terminator weight.
08-26-2007, 06:48 PM
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I see what 02 ss is saying.12.2 is faster than 12.5 But isnt it odd how a question has turned into a heated debate powered by personal prefferences? IMHO the only reason people throw around the $$$ issue is because either they are hating that the other person had that money to throw around...Or we all relive the fast and the furious moment where the Ferrari guy is too cocky and gets beat. Myself personaly, I love beating cars that cost more, then I tell myself "If I had that money I would bought a ____________". So can we stop bitching if people use the $$$ excuse? People will always say that the $45k 13 second mustang is a waste, why? Because we spent 1/4th of that and run the same. If we woulda spent an additional $30kish we would have 9 second cars. And yes we do talk about the vettes, because they are ******* monsters on the street. And there arent any videos with douche bag kids driving any Z06's through their garages 
08-28-2007, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LrngCrv
I don't see anyone running 8sec quarters for $8-12K (decent LS1 F-body prices) starting with nothing. If I had a bank account of $10k and I went out and bought a car plus modded it with that limited money and was pulling 8s I would hope to have an amazing job working for a performance company afterwards.
Prices mean everything in this country. If they didn't then Mustangs and Camaros would not be popular at all.
But comparing a stock 98-02 LS1 F-body to this really expensive version of the Mustang ($55k is pretty expensive for a car even w/ today's standards, especially if it is a 'stang) and even on paper it looks like it would be a close race. Compare the same F-body to a Mustang 10 years before it and you won't have the same results.
Don't get me wrong though, I absolutely love the Ford 5.0 Foxes, but I will never drool over a 4.6, I don't care how much boost they force into it to make up for the crappy motor. The cars do look bad *** though...
Just my opinion, I'm not getting the big bucks for my opinions on cars though so I guess take what you want.
But I personally would never buy a 4.6 for performance... maybe for a DD street car.
Prices mean everything in this country. If they didn't then Mustangs and Camaros would not be popular at all.
But comparing a stock 98-02 LS1 F-body to this really expensive version of the Mustang ($55k is pretty expensive for a car even w/ today's standards, especially if it is a 'stang) and even on paper it looks like it would be a close race. Compare the same F-body to a Mustang 10 years before it and you won't have the same results.
Don't get me wrong though, I absolutely love the Ford 5.0 Foxes, but I will never drool over a 4.6, I don't care how much boost they force into it to make up for the crappy motor. The cars do look bad *** though...
Just my opinion, I'm not getting the big bucks for my opinions on cars though so I guess take what you want.
But I personally would never buy a 4.6 for performance... maybe for a DD street car.I agree tho the 427r are overpriced but it is a roush special edition so thats why it has that price tag, not a lot were made, jack roush influence, yada yada yada. Not supposed to be the fastest car ever, that was not ford's intentions with it. But oh go to a road course and see who wins that race! Thats what the roush was intented for, thats what the roush has always been about.
But yes peformance wise in a straight line street race compared to ls1's they are no match, in stock form anyways.
08-28-2007, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 99cobra
4.6 a crappy motor? thats why the crappy lil 03/04 cobra factory engines can handle around 1000 hp i guess thats also why my bolton - geared 99 cobra hangs with bolton-geared ls1's all day long.
I agree tho the 427r are overpriced but it is a roush special edition so thats why it has that price tag, not a lot were made, jack roush influence, yada yada yada. Not supposed to be the fastest car ever, that was not ford's intentions with it. But oh go to a road course and see who wins that race! Thats what the roush was intented for, thats what the roush has always been about.
But yes peformance wise in a straight line street race compared to ls1's they are no match, in stock form anyways.
I agree tho the 427r are overpriced but it is a roush special edition so thats why it has that price tag, not a lot were made, jack roush influence, yada yada yada. Not supposed to be the fastest car ever, that was not ford's intentions with it. But oh go to a road course and see who wins that race! Thats what the roush was intented for, thats what the roush has always been about.
But yes peformance wise in a straight line street race compared to ls1's they are no match, in stock form anyways.
on the geared 99 cobra hanging with LS1's. i pulled hard on full bolt on and geared 99 cobra when i was stock with a catback and a lid only. get over it, its a shame when a 10 year old car and motor will still pull on a brand new SOHC 24 valve GT mustang.
08-28-2007, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bww3588
the 4.6 is not a crappy motor, its a great boat anchor. the ONLY reason the top of the line 4.6 can handle 1000 hp is because its forged. and the 03/04 cobra's are the only ones that are forged. if it wernt for the blower on top it would be miles behind the LS1's just like every other newer ford motor. i love it when 100 + year old pushrod tech walks all over new age OHC tech. and im calling on the geared 99 cobra hanging with LS1's. i pulled hard on full bolt on and geared 99 cobra when i was stock with a catback and a lid only.
get over it, its a shame when a 10 year old car and motor will still pull on a brand new SOHC 24 valve GT mustang.
on the geared 99 cobra hanging with LS1's. i pulled hard on full bolt on and geared 99 cobra when i was stock with a catback and a lid only. get over it, its a shame when a 10 year old car and motor will still pull on a brand new SOHC 24 valve GT mustang.
08-28-2007, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 99cobra
When i say bolton ls1 i mean simple boltons and a 3.73s, i am full bolton solid axle 4.30s, so call bs all u want. yes i know that 03/04 are the only ones that r forged i dont need a school lesson here. even tho 99/01 cobras do have forged crankshafts but anyways u guys are right ls1's are the best motor ever made its almost like they were built by god himself
08-28-2007, 01:41 PM
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really its true, in the last 10-15 yrs, ford has done **** ALL in the way of comin out with new engines and impresive cars. I mean in ANY category(trucks, vans and cars) the GM vehicle is always superior to the ford. We wont even get into fords 1 of 300 "special edition" mustangs which suck ***** compared to a base vette....come on! I mean at this point, id probably buy a Kia or Hyundai before id buy a ford(I am 100% serious), god knows in another 10yrs, the 4.6/5.4 combo will still be around......gettin their asses kicked by bowties