WhosNXT

I was talking about the senior chicks who are already 18 or above the limit which is lower in some states. Since I am only 23 its not that big of a difference from 18-23...I am not some old perv.

Shooter_Jay

yeah right up there with telling someone how sad sad of a human being they are...

darrensls1

Sure you were

hepcatws6

Wow, this is a heated discussion!

You can buy a reliable LS1 with over 100k on it. I sold mine with 107K on it, and the guy loves it! He had to do a couple small things like suspension, but otherwise its a solid car.

The truth is, though, that you never really know.

A lot of people talk about the reliability of foreign cars, and their ability to last with excessive miles. Yet...my father-in-law just got rid of a Ford Ranger with 300K miles on it, and the truck ran great. My brother-in-law had a Ford Bronco II with nearly that many miles that still ran great as well. I personally sold my dad a 94 Tbird with over 200K on it and it runs like the day I bought it. (Thats also a testament to the durability of Ford vehicles!)

Nowadays, most cars will run a good 100k on pretty much OEM parts. Thats considering the fact that nowadays a lot of parts and pieces are shitty import parts.

True story...my sister-in-law bought a new Cavalier a few years ago...the wheel bearings kept going bad. They replaced them at the dealership several times. My brother-in-law worked at the dealership as parts manager. He finally got bearings made in the US rather than Mexico. Needless to say, after that, the bearings were fine.

Also, most vehicles are assembly line vehicles, so you never know what you are getting. Of course, there are exceptions...the new ZO6 is built by one person who assembles the engine at stations. My Cobra engine was built (And signed) by two people. I tend to believe that leads to a better quality engine, although they are still not perfect.

Vicinity

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Lol.

Well, first of all, it's not going to be a toy, it'll be a daily driver. And regardless of what anyone says, I'm getting a V8 car.

Now I'm hearing different things. Either a Camaro is a reliable car or its a money pit. What is it? If it was bought and I just used it as a car, nothing more, nothing less (and no mods, ever) what would it be classified as?

And how much do Cobra's usually run($)?

And to the guy who said:

Go **** yourself.

RPM WS6

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I agree, that arguement is poor at best. My daily beater is an '04 Cavalier, and frankly it does pretty well for getting moving off a light. Only 2600lbs, and 140hp with 3.63 gears. Never been close to getting killed due to lack of acceleration in an intersection. Now, merging on the expressway is a different story.

Age is just a number. My '98 Z has only 14k miles. Would that been 'too old' just because the car is 10? You'd pay considerably less for my car than you would for a 14k mile '04 GTO.

I would call them reliable, so long as they've been properly maintained and not beaten, and are mostly stock. Problem is, lots of people don't take care of their cars, so you have to be careful when shopping, and know how to spot cars that are likely victims of abuse. Once you've looked over/driven a few, you'll be able to quickly tell the difference.

|2ocky

If you are driving it as "just a car" the gas mileage isn't the best and I would reconsider. If you are talking about a car that is fun to drive with good reliability, the camaro is a good canidate. However, If you are looking to put tons of money in it in the near future, I would buy a beater and get the camaro when you can afford it, or buy a nicer car in the first place (corvette, gto, etc).

Vicinity

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I guess I'll just pitch Camaro as an older cheaper car and GTO as a newer more expensive and just sit back and see what happens.

I seriously would like the Camaro but whatever at this point, eithers fine.

The intersection thing was kinda a joke, guess it wasn't caught. Point being it's slow and I don't really like that, I'm likely to crack the engine block of my current car soon just because I accelerate so hard because in the mornings on my way to school, theirs heavy traffic and I just pull out on a slight opening in traffic and hammer it. The car can take it, but if I continue to do it, it won't be good for it.

99camarosupersport

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I beg to differ.

DRT

I know you're not gonna want to hear this vicinity, but get a cheap nice car to drive while your're in college and save up for a nice ls1. I'm 25 and just recently got my first
ls1. I drove a '91 nissan maxima while in college that my parents bought me. When I got my first good job, i bought a tacoma. I got married about a little over a year ago, bought my wife a new car, paid off my tacoma, now I have a nice '98 trans am that is a toy. I still drive the tacoma as my daily driver. Please dont get me wrong, i'm not trying to brag, just saying that if you keep your priorities right, stay out of debt and be responsible with your money, the time will come when you can get a nice "toy" and not have to worry about pinching penney's. (I know i will get ragged on for owning a toyota, but it is honestly a great vehicle and I wouldnt trade it for anything). Just my .02

RPM WS6

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See sig.

I owned one for 6 years (it came with the wife), and in my experiance they aren't anything special. I'll never have another.

Vicinity

iTrader: (7)

Well, if I figure it right (and only take one vacation) I'd be able to pay off an LS1 before Christmas if I managed to buy one for less then 10 grand. And that'd be excellent. Either way I DO need a new car (I personally don't trust Ford's past 100k miles, regardless,

By the way, from the original point of this thread, I'd just like to ask

HOW CAN I CONVINCE MY STEPDAD A CAMARO IS NOT SOMEONE ELSE'S PIECE OF *****?

*That is the phrase he used.

EDIT: And I like Tacoma's. The new one's are really nice and pretty damn reliable.

RPM WS6

iTrader: (3)

Simple.

Remind him that ANY used car is "someone elses piece of ****", if it wasn't properly cared for.

There is nothing magical about certain used cars that makes them better than others. They all have potential downfalls, it's all about who owned them last and how well they cared for the car (cosmetically & mechanically). That's why when I buy used, I like to buy from private sellers if I can. Even better when they're the original owner. You can usually tell just by talking with the person how well they knew the car, and how well they likely maintained it. Plus you can get receipts.

SchultzLT1

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Show him my for sale ad with the pics of my car

Vicinity

iTrader: (7)

Can you recommend any questions that would help identify if it was properly taken care of?

SchultzLT1

iTrader: (5)

What kind of oil did you use? (weight)
What kind of spark plugs are in the car?
When were they tires replaced?
What kind of pads do the brakes have? (material)
How does it handle in snow/rain? (see if it has seen winters/a lot of rain)
What kind of wax was used?
Leather conditioned?

Research the car before you go buy. Usually the more the person knows about the car, the better they took care of it. Somebody who loved their car and kept it up well usually knows every nook and cranny.

motoo344

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Parents are dumb. My ex gf's parents refused to let her buy a used car, even if it only had 10k or 20k miles on it. They just assumed if it was used it would have problems. My camaro has been just as reliable as my kia, expedition and mustang gt. Actually, my expedition probably had the most problems. The only thing I have had wrong was the clutch, which is gonna go eventually on any car. If a car is properly taken car of it will last regardless, unless its a gremlin or something lol.

The big thing for my parents wasn't getting a camaro, it was getting a v8. They will turn around one day, just might not be anytime soon. Just out of curiosity, what are you trying to spend? Good Luck.

Vicinity

iTrader: (7)

$10,000 or less.

RPM WS6

iTrader: (3)

All very good questions.

I'd also ask some stuff in regards to who performed the maintenance work, if any major parts were ever replaced (if it needed a new engine @ 50k miles, I'd want to know about that, etc.), and how long the current owner has owned the car.

Vicinity

iTrader: (7)

Thanks Schultz & RPM, you guys have been very helpful.