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Old 05-27-2008, 06:49 PM
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The question is how mod friendly are the Bimmer V6 and V8s?
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Originally Posted by sslateron
Them be fighting words.

What are you basing that on? How about modding ability or available torque? Unless you go forced induction a V6 motors power is always going to be limited.

when you say a V6 will always be limited, so does that mean a V8 V10 and V12engines are all limited not including inline motors and wild **** like the W16 in the Veyron? The limits are only what you make them
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ive had the heads off alot of different engines but never have i seen crosshatching on a 157,000 mile engine never till i pulled the heads off my ls1...
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Originally Posted by usafcrewchief01
This was ward's annual engine rating... this was for 1998


1998
BMW 3.2 L I6 DOHC
BMW 2.5 L I6 M52
Ford 2.5 L V6 Duratec SVT
Ford 5.4 L V8 Triton
General Motors 5.7 L V8 LS1
Mazda 2.3 L V6 KJ-ZEM
Mercedes-Benz 3.2 L V6 SOHC
Nissan 3.0 L V6 VQ30DE
Toyota 4.0 L V8 1UZ-FE DOHC
Volkswagen 1.8 L I4 DOHC turbo
LOL



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LAWLZ 5.4L triton. haha
I think they put that up there because the name sounds cool and tough TRITON V8 lolol
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everything about the ls1 is bad ***, except that its not in my car
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You can't forget about the fact that it will take a 150 shot and laugh asking for a 200
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Given that its a 3rd Gen Chevy small block that should be enough right there.
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gm knows how to make pushrod V8s. they perfected it.
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Originally Posted by Subliminal Hit
its probably the most swapped engine ever...if not, it soon will be. People are putting them in everything. There's a reason for that.
No joke right there. I was reading the current issue of Super Street, know your enemy, and this guy was talking about swaps and doing all of these mods to gain extra horse power in his ricer. The editor actually replied, "why don't you just drop an LS1 into that and save yourself the cash". If you look on youtube they have an evo with an LS1 in it and that car is a beast.

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its a good all around platform to work with...
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Originally Posted by D3VIL
Im not trying to diss on the ls1 at all but, 1st of all the 5.9 liter with a 198hp is just plain bad engine, idk how you make 200hp from a 5.9 liter, 2nd of all i think the ls1 could have obviously been much better b/c look at the m3's, straight 6 3.2 liter puts down 340hp..... once again not trying to diss on the ls1 but obviously could have technically been much better, oh and the new m3's 4 liter v8 which putts out 412hp...... just saying
The Bimmer motors are pretty well maxed out in potential from the factory. Getting any kind of gains from them will cost a fortune and nowhere near the potential that locked away in a 1997 MY LS1 will. The thing with the LS1 is it was designed to be efficient, last a long time, make emmission requirements, and be cheap to produce. Now if you take for instance the 412hp M3 V8, and now take a max effort H/C/I/E LS1, the LS1 will blow the Bimmer motor away. Whereas with the older 3.2 and now 4.0 Bimmer motors will gain little to nothing even with expensive aftermarket parts. Not to mention the larger displacement LS1 weighs the same as the Bimmer I6 and has vastly superior potential.

Heck our LS1 with Heads/Cam on a nitrous tune, through a stalled A4, with built tranny put 441 to the rear wheels, which is much more than the much more expensive Bimmer motors. Hell just think if we added timing and put a M6 behind the engine! In a package that is smaller and lighter than the Bimmer V8...

Forget displacement, lets look at the total package... Weight, dimensions, and return on investment...
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Originally Posted by Azrael
The Bimmer motors are pretty well maxed out in potential from the factory. Getting any kind of gains from them will cost a fortune and nowhere near the potential that locked away in a 1997 MY LS1 will. The thing with the LS1 is it was designed to be efficient, last a long time, make emmission requirements, and be cheap to produce. Now if you take for instance the 412hp M3 V8, and now take a max effort H/C/I/E LS1, the LS1 will blow the Bimmer motor away. Whereas with the older 3.2 and now 4.0 Bimmer motors will gain little to nothing even with expensive aftermarket parts. Not to mention the larger displacement LS1 weighs the same as the Bimmer I6 and has vastly superior potential.

Heck our LS1 with Heads/Cam on a nitrous tune, through a stalled A4, with built tranny put 441 to the rear wheels, which is much more than the much more expensive Bimmer motors. Hell just think if we added timing and put a M6 behind the engine! In a package that is smaller and lighter than the Bimmer V8...

Forget displacement, lets look at the total package... Weight, dimensions, and return on investment...
This sums up the argument about BMW's I6 and V8.
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welcome to the next 100 page thread.
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Originally Posted by Azrael
The Bimmer motors are pretty well maxed out in potential from the factory. Getting any kind of gains from them will cost a fortune and nowhere near the potential that locked away in a 1997 MY LS1 will. The thing with the LS1 is it was designed to be efficient, last a long time, make emmission requirements, and be cheap to produce. Now if you take for instance the 412hp M3 V8, and now take a max effort H/C/I/E LS1, the LS1 will blow the Bimmer motor away. Whereas with the older 3.2 and now 4.0 Bimmer motors will gain little to nothing even with expensive aftermarket parts. Not to mention the larger displacement LS1 weighs the same as the Bimmer I6 and has vastly superior potential.

Heck our LS1 with Heads/Cam on a nitrous tune, through a stalled A4, with built tranny put 441 to the rear wheels, which is much more than the much more expensive Bimmer motors. Hell just think if we added timing and put a M6 behind the engine! In a package that is smaller and lighter than the Bimmer V8...

Forget displacement, lets look at the total package... Weight, dimensions, and return on investment...
Well said. I guess it would have been more appropriate to ask why the LS1 is the most popular engine ever. I know for a fact the BMW M cars don't even come close to the LSx motors' fuel economy, that too with less displacement. Also I would like to see how long those motors last, the way they need to spin to 8k rpm to deliver advertised power. The 336 hp 3.2L inline six had a nasty oil starvation issue as high rpms too.
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Originally Posted by usafcrewchief01
This was ward's annual engine rating... this was for 1998


1998
BMW 3.2 L I6 DOHC
BMW 2.5 L I6 M52
Ford 2.5 L V6 Duratec SVT
Ford 5.4 L V8 Triton
General Motors 5.7 L V8 LS1
Mazda 2.3 L V6 KJ-ZEM
Mercedes-Benz 3.2 L V6 SOHC
Nissan 3.0 L V6 VQ30DE
Toyota 4.0 L V8 1UZ-FE DOHC
Volkswagen 1.8 L I4 DOHC turbo
i hate this list, i dont know why they come to these conclusions... according to the recent list the 4.6modular is a top10 engine and the LS7 is junk, even the HEMI is on it
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BMW's V8 is Majorly lacking in the torque department.
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Why are ***** good? I mean that's like askin how the posi traction rear end on a 74 dodge works. It just does.
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The s52/s54 I6's have their own ways of uncorking horsepower. Boost. Lots of it.

Turbo kit, rod bolts, and a headgasket is all they need to make you **** your pants from a 65+ mph roll in 4th gear.

But anyways, I dont think the LS1 is the best motor ever made..I do think GM did a damn good job, though. But I like it becuase my Ls1 with 113,000 miles runs awesome, clowns on mustangs everyday, and gets around 24-25mpg.
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Originally Posted by 96autoformula
Why are ***** good? I mean that's like askin how the posi traction rear end on a 74 dodge works. It just does.
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Originally Posted by DRGnFLYZ28
<Homer Simpson voice> mmmmmmmm, LS111111
Very nice I should use that in my sig!!


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