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Old 11-10-2004, 03:51 PM
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That's an aftermarket MAF but it looks similar. Have the fuel pressure checked before you buy more parts.
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The ticking noise you're hearing coming from "that silver thing" are the injectors clicking... thats normal.

You MAF isn't going to look like the picture above. You MAF sensor will be mounted inside the throttle body. It is held in by 3 screws I think. Your MAF is the thing circled in red:




It not going above 50 and hardly reving is the car going into "limp mode"... its less serious then you think, though I don't think I would be driving it at all until I got this fixed. When you had the car scanned at AutoZone... did they tell you what trouble codes were being thrown? All trouble codes are given a number like: P0420. If you had that it might help narrow down what is causing it to go lean.

You put 20,000 miles on your in 9 months?! Wow.

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The MAF is not inside the TB. It's between the TB and
the air cleaner, and it's held in by hose clamps. I don't
have any pictures handy on this computer but my
earlier description ought to get you there. Black plastic
intake manifold, aluminum cast TB, plastic accordion
bellows, then the aluminum/plastic/aluminum "Oreo"
MAF with the 3-wire electrical connector.



Originally Posted by hawgs
The ticking noise you're hearing coming from "that silver thing" are the injectors clicking... thats normal.

You MAF isn't going to look like the picture above. You MAF sensor will be mounted inside the throttle body. It is held in by 3 screws I think. Your MAF is the thing circled in red:




You put 20,000 miles on your in 9 months?! Wow.
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holy **** when my car don't run right i immediatly turn it off..put it in neutral and me and my friends push it to a shop ...and your on the highway!!!!! JAMMING THE GAS TO THE FLOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHh

poor car

im just given you **** its ok..but honestly...if something goes wrong and you don't know bout cars the last thing you need to be doing is turning the key
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20,000 miles in 9 months DAA DAA DAMN!!!!....ive put about 2,000 on mine in about a year and a half
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
The MAF is not inside the TB. It's between the TB and
the air cleaner, and it's held in by hose clamps. I don't
have any pictures handy on this computer but my
earlier description ought to get you there. Black plastic
intake manifold, aluminum cast TB, plastic accordion
bellows, then the aluminum/plastic/aluminum "Oreo"
MAF with the 3-wire electrical connector.
I am sorry, but you are totally wrong. On a 3.8L V6 the MAF is the thing that I circled and it hangs down inside the throttle body. There is nothing in the tubing between the throttle body and the lid or the air filter for that matter.
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
The MAF is not inside the TB. It's between the TB and
the air cleaner, and it's held in by hose clamps. I don't
have any pictures handy on this computer but my
earlier description ought to get you there. Black plastic
intake manifold, aluminum cast TB, plastic accordion
bellows, then the aluminum/plastic/aluminum "Oreo"
MAF with the 3-wire electrical connector.
She has a V6, it doesn't have a black intake manifold like the LS1s. It is circled in the picture, I've never seen the MAF on the V6 which is why I posted a pic of the V8 version- looks similar but not accurate.
Damn Hawgs beat me too it.
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I missed the part about it being a V-6.
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Oh, I know about the miles, but when that was the only source of transportation for awhile those things build up.

Yes, its a V-6, well last night we went back to Pep Boys to exchange the sensor and they wer so confused. According to the flow chart, #1 and #3 o2 sensors were out. Well they were going to try and give us a beofre and an after, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo, we needed two of the same. What frickin idiots. So last night didnt get a chance to fix it, because we were driving to the shop and were stopped behind a car and we heard a car behind us trying to stop and what do you know, SMACK!!!!! THey hit the back end of the camaro, BASTARDS!!!!!

Got out to take a look and of course there wasnt enough damage to claim injuries and so on, so hubby called the cops and these three women backed up so we couldnt see their plates and left!!!! Cops showed quick but were unable to find them. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, could thi sget any worse.
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See the thing that gets me, is that we replaced one of the o2 sensors, because they gave us the wrong one for the other side. So right now it has a new one in #1 and an old one in #3.

The thing that gets me though is if we just let the car work its way to a higher speed it will, it just takes a minute but if we try to press the pedal, it doesnt go anywhere, we have to let it work up to it?
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Originally Posted by thegirl
See the thing that gets me, is that we replaced one of the o2 sensors, because they gave us the wrong one for the other side. So right now it has a new one in #1 and an old one in #3.

The thing that gets me though is if we just let the car work its way to a higher speed it will, it just takes a minute but if we try to press the pedal, it doesnt go anywhere, we have to let it work up to it?
What about the maf sensor?Have you or someone replaced it?
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No i didnt know anything about the maf until jimmy said something about it. Does the maf control the problem im having with the car getting up and going?
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Wouldnt the MAF of showed up on the flow chart?
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Try reseting the PCM. Put the key in the "on" position and pull the PCM BAT and PCM IGN fuses from the fuse box under the hood on the driver side. Let it sit like that for about 5-10 minutes and turn the car off THEN replace the fuses. Then start the car up and drive it around the block... if it still goes into "limp mode" (where it barely revs and wont go above 50) then it could be a clogged cat or transmission problems of some sort, but if it runs right, even just for five minutes, then its some sensor.

Try and get the trouble codes when they scan your car. Stop going to Pep Boys!
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Ok, I wil do that. It sure as hell better not be the transmission.
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Originally Posted by thegirl
Wouldnt the MAF of showed up on the flow chart?
Mass Airflow sensor problems are very difficult to diagnose.Your car might not even set a code for the maf sensor at all.but this might be your problem.If you had a lean code to start with this might be your prob.I really doubt your cats are clogged,possible but unlikely.If the cats were cloged it probably would have set a 420 code .Disconnect the sensor drive the car and see what happens.The pcm will go into speed density and use the map sensor only.Just see what happens.The service light is gonna set a maf sensor code though if you do this.So be prepared for that.
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Ok, yeah, the first code that it through was a lean code ,then a vacuum code.
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Originally Posted by thegirl
Ok, yeah, the first code that it through was a lean code ,then a vacuum code.
You might want to try and replace the Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) Sensor.

Did you get the problem code? Just saying "lean" and "vacuum" is very vaugh. There are a few codes that deal with being lean.
DTC P0171 Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1
DTC P0174 Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2
DTC P1135 HO2S Lean Mean Bank 1 Sensor 1
DTC P1137 HO2S Bank 1 Sensor 2 Lean System or Low Voltage
DTC P1143 HO2S Bank 1 Sensor 3 Lean System or Low Voltage
DTC P1155 HO2S Lean Mean Bank 2 Sensor 1
DTC P1157 HO2S Bank 2 Sensor 2 Lean System or Low Voltage
DTC P1163 HO2S Bank 2 Sensor 3 Lean System or Low Voltage
DTC P1171 Fuel System Lean During Acceleration


Might seem like a weird question... but have you washed or gotten water inside the engine bay recently?
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Ross- I'm so sorry I m not sure, I will have this all checked this evening again. And no I dont recall it getting wet.
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How about just take it to a dealer and pay the price. Your wasting time f&cking with all this B.S.


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