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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:28 AM
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when i move slowly and stop or pull up to a light my idle always sits around 450 to 500 and the idle is very poor, it is always jumping up and down and will occasionally drop to 200 or 300 and rarely it will die. any suggestions?
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:33 AM
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do you still have your egr valve? if you do try cleaning it and putting it back in that might be a place to start.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:35 AM
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i don't have it, it was supposed to have been tuned out. but if it wasn't could this be causing it? i should be getting hp tuners next week and will be tuning all egr and rear o2's out if they aren't already.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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yea it could be causing your problem,the tune should fix it if thats the problem.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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Try cleaning your air filter and MAF.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:11 PM
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i'll get a new airfilter, but how do you clean the maf? it is descreened already.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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I had idling problems and tcs and ses lights. I plugged up my intake with
an 1 1/2" dia. plumbing part with a wing nut and it solved all my problems. If its sucking air this could be your problem.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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Advance auto sells this CRC MAF cleaner.

You just take the MAF off and spray it with this cleaner. It dries in like 5 minutes.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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I had idling problems and tcs and ses lights. I plugged up my intake with
an 1 1/2" dia. plumbing part with a wing nut and it solved all my problems. If its sucking air this could be your problem.
what now?
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 08:20 PM
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When I first bought my car, it had a rough idle. Turned out to be dirty fuel injectors. Had them flushed out and its been great since.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:58 PM
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this could be a MAP sensor or a TPS sensor but im not to sure! u could start off by cleaning the MAF and if its clogged injectors you will get a SES code but do u have any ses codes right now? o and could also be a vacumm leak as well
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 12:27 AM
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vaccum leak?
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 01:04 AM
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i'll work on cleaning out the maf.. can you guys kinda guide me through checking the vacuum leak? and the only codes that i have are pending codes and they show both rear o2's are running rich i think, and egr is taken out(the ses light is not on but they show up)
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyfire
i don't have it, it was supposed to have been tuned out. but if it wasn't could this be causing it?
No, but I don't know what is.

EDIT: and don't even look or think about rear O2 codes. They do/mean nothing when you remove the cats.
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humm im guessing maybe if your o2 are sensing that there is more fuel but not enough air maybe it can be a vacum leak!!! how is the idle is it vibration or does the rpm just move up and down???
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 06:19 PM
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when it drops really low it vibrates but it isn't just vibrating all the time, and when i say drops low i mean drops to around 400. and i wasn't looking at the o2's as a problem, i know not having cats will make them go crazy
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o crap i dident realize u dident have cats, hummm if i were you i would start off with the simplist thing i can think of which is a vacuum leak!! anything little like a ripped air intake duct after the filter can cause problems or a crack in your manifold or loose manifold bolts!!! but b4 you check this clean out your MAF like how some of the other people also mentioned, they sell the can at autozone or kragen, any autoparts store. let me know how everythings goin goodluck
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 12:21 AM
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thanks! i will post up a reply tomarrow after i clean the maf and replace the air filter
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 12:50 PM
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maf cleaner and new air filter did not help. also the idle sits right at 600 when the car is in neutral or park, it only jumps around when it is in gear
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have u tested your iac valve located on the side of the throttle body? unbolt it have a friend hold it vertical while you go put the key in the ignition and turn on acc.s. dont have to start it ..see if the plunger moves...do it a couple of times. this controls idle as well. if plunger does not move buy a new one
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