SHORTIE HEADERS
Re: SHORTIE HEADERS Well you have three choices that I know of, JBA, Hooker, and BBK. Out of all three, personally I would take the BBK shorties. They are made with 1-3/4" primaries like long tube headers, so probably flow pretty well. The other two are 1-5/8" primaries. Might be some other brands I dont know of.
Shorties don't offer the best gains... I would wait until you do some serious mods, then get them. They will offer more gains then. Get them with heads/cam, or if you are going the all bolt-on route.
Now a million people are gonna say get long tube headers not shorties. But they don't live in CA and don't know what it is like, so dont listen to them
Shorties don't offer the best gains... I would wait until you do some serious mods, then get them. They will offer more gains then. Get them with heads/cam, or if you are going the all bolt-on route.
Now a million people are gonna say get long tube headers not shorties. But they don't live in CA and don't know what it is like, so dont listen to them
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Re: SHORTIE HEADERS What year is your car?
I only gained 13rwhp with long tube headers. The 2001 and 2002 manifolds already flow very well, that is at stock cubes and no larger cmashaft though.
I only gained 13rwhp with long tube headers. The 2001 and 2002 manifolds already flow very well, that is at stock cubes and no larger cmashaft though.
Re: SHORTIE HEADERS I've dealt with JBA for years (stangs). Even though I haven't aways seen "eye to eye" with them, I will say the quality of their headers has always been outstanding!
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Re: SHORTIE HEADERS I've gone browsing through numerous vendors and
the BBK site itself, and from all appearances
the BBK shorties are only available for 'Vettes.
Is there an F-body BBK shorty header, really?
the BBK site itself, and from all appearances
the BBK shorties are only available for 'Vettes.
Is there an F-body BBK shorty header, really?
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Re: SHORTIE HEADERS
Yep, they are very rare, probably just came out. Check out Jegs, I think Tybrne was going to start selling them, check there too. I tried to start a GP, but no go 
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Re: SHORTIE HEADERS I'm getting ready to get a set of BBK shorties from TBYRNE, along with a Random Tech y-pipe with hight flow cats. I talked to the tech at TBYRNE about these headers because i've heard that shorties are a waste on 01-02 models, they said thats true, however since the BBK's have 1-3/4" primaries, they would flow alot better than the JBA's, and while BBK claims up to 20 hp, I could expect 12-13, they also called Random Tech while i was on the phone, and they told TBYRNE that a stock SS pulled 8hp and 9 ft/lbs of tq on their dyno. So to make a long story short, they said i would be in the neighborhood of 20hp, give or take a few according to my mods. hope this helps!
p.s. TBYRNE has all their headers 10% off right now, so i'm definately getting in on that!
p.s. TBYRNE has all their headers 10% off right now, so i'm definately getting in on that!
Re: SHORTIE HEADERS You can probably still get them, as long as the cats are in the same location. The Random Tech y-pipe is also illegal because it moves the passenger side cat up. I was looking as Bassana Mid-length headers and y-pipe, the cats are very close to the stock locations, check those out.
Re: SHORTIE HEADERS I don't know what-all you have to go through
with visual inspections out there, but if the
shorties still have the stock (location) cats,
how do they know any different if you give
them the JBA headers EO # for your new BBKs?
Do you have to show papers or something?
I saw Edelbrock sells shorties too, no mention
of EO# but I did see JBAs are 14-gauge steel
while the Edelbrocks are 16ga mild or 17ga
stainless. 14ga is 25% thicker wall than 16ga.
with visual inspections out there, but if the
shorties still have the stock (location) cats,
how do they know any different if you give
them the JBA headers EO # for your new BBKs?
Do you have to show papers or something?
I saw Edelbrock sells shorties too, no mention
of EO# but I did see JBAs are 14-gauge steel
while the Edelbrocks are 16ga mild or 17ga
stainless. 14ga is 25% thicker wall than 16ga.
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Re: SHORTIE HEADERS
You can probably still get them, as long as the cats are in the same location. The Random Tech y-pipe is also illegal because it moves the passenger side cat up. I was looking as Bassana Mid-length headers and y-pipe, the cats are very close to the stock locations, check those out.
"A must for those who want to remain "smog legal". Works with stock manifolds or shorty headers." this is from Speedinc
"Random SHF converters meet EPA and California ARB requirements and feature special flow enhancing construction that minimizes mechanical restriction for maximum horsepower." from Thunder Racing.
sound legal to me.
Re: SHORTIE HEADERS In California, moving the cats at all from the stock location is illegal. This is the reason long tube headers are illegal, with them, there is no way the driver side cat can retain its stock location. Same with mid-length headers.
As you can see, the Random Tech y-pipe has moved the passenger side cat up further towards the engine, as opposed to the stock location of under the passenger side seat. Will the inspectors care? Probably not. Most will say, "oh you have cats, thats good enough." But some know where the stock cats are located and will give you a fix ticket before they can pass you. Basically, its up to the inspecton whether you pass or not. It think if you have cats, you're good to go. But the restrictions are getting tougher, and so are the inspectors.
As you can see, the Random Tech y-pipe has moved the passenger side cat up further towards the engine, as opposed to the stock location of under the passenger side seat. Will the inspectors care? Probably not. Most will say, "oh you have cats, thats good enough." But some know where the stock cats are located and will give you a fix ticket before they can pass you. Basically, its up to the inspecton whether you pass or not. It think if you have cats, you're good to go. But the restrictions are getting tougher, and so are the inspectors.
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Re: SHORTIE HEADERS No inspector is going to complain that the cat was moved CLOSER to the engine. Only further away as that will effect emissions on a cold engine (for a few seconds). What they might commplain is that currently no aftermarket cat is CARB legal on our cars. Random Tech's Cat CARB cert is for use on OBDI cars not on OBDII. Buy then again, most places won't care as long as there are cats and it passes the sniff test.
The only shortie header I think is worth anything is the BBK, but I'm waiting to see if they get a CARB number as supposedly they were looking into it.
The only shortie header I think is worth anything is the BBK, but I'm waiting to see if they get a CARB number as supposedly they were looking into it.
Re: SHORTIE HEADERS If you have any interest I've got a set of coated JBA's along with a set of coated Mufflex ORP's that I have no need for any more. If you're interested email me at dswz28@earthlink.net