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Old 04-03-2012, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 405HP_Z06
Update, I'll be updating all of the diagrams in my posts over the coming weeks. Hopefully this will reduce confusion and answer many of the questions posed here.

I've been a way from the forum for a while so bare with me.
Thanks for the help on this topic.


I trackday my car(HPDE) the last two events on the last session it has pushed oil past the crank sensor o ring.

Under hard braking it will smoke out of the exhaust.

Any thoughts on this?
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I'm using the GMMG valve covers and was wondering how others are tapping into them to run to the TB? I'm just going with the simple diagram like above. Is drilling and tapping the valve cover the only way or is there a filler cap with a port or another way of running this?
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I'm using the GMMG valve covers and was wondering how others are tapping into them to run to the TB? I'm just going with the simple diagram like above. Is drilling and tapping the valve cover the only way or is there a filler cap with a port or another way of running this?[/QUOTE]

CHeck this out

http://mtiracing.com/Purchase/1998-2...r-to-10-2.html
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Originally Posted by marksboy7
I'm using the GMMG valve covers and was wondering how others are tapping into them to run to the TB? I'm just going with the simple diagram like above. Is drilling and tapping the valve cover the only way or is there a filler cap with a port or another way of running this?[/QUOTE]

Google: PCV Valve Cover Breather

Jegs an Summit both a a large selection.
I have a Earls #3434114 on mine; works great(remove the PCV for the fresh air).
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good info
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Many thanks to all for the info here. As a means of thanks I wanted to pass this on to you. I have been using these on my cars including my race car for several years now with great success.

The MAN Provent 200 oil separating catch can.

These are cyclonic separators like a Dyson vacuum cleaner. water and crud is separated and caught in the filter and central catch area. Oil vapor condenses outside and runs to the bottom chamber.
There is an adjustable vacuum vent to control internal vacuum
The oil drain can either be closed with a tap, or by adding the check valve it can be plumbed back into the oil pan above the ol level line to automaticcly return to the oil sump.
The filter is removable by taking the screw top off, and can be washed with soap and water.

They retail for $150 to $200 and were originally developed for big stationary diesel engines.

Available here and other places I am sure http://www.034motorsport.com/engine-...0-p-20193.html



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I like it^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Amazing job Aaron!! After going through the thread, most of my questions were answered, but I was surprised to see that one wasn't brought up...

My intent is a dual Catch Can setup. I am however running very high boost, understand that a vacuum pump can drastically improve ring seal. How do I connect the vacuum pump into this setup?

This will be for an LTX motor, but if you wanted to draw a diagram, leave it on an LS engine for your ease. Thanks for any help!!
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Originally Posted by timmmy
Many thanks to all for the info here. As a means of thanks I wanted to pass this on to you. I have been using these on my cars including my race car for several years now with great success.

The MAN Provent 200 oil separating catch can.

These are cyclonic separators like a Dyson vacuum cleaner. water and crud is separated and caught in the filter and central catch area. Oil vapor condenses outside and runs to the bottom chamber.
There is an adjustable vacuum vent to control internal vacuum
The oil drain can either be closed with a tap, or by adding the check valve it can be plumbed back into the oil pan above the ol level line to automaticcly return to the oil sump.
The filter is removable by taking the screw top off, and can be washed with soap and water.

They retail for $150 to $200 and were originally developed for big stationary diesel engines.

Available here and other places I am sure http://www.034motorsport.com/engine-...0-p-20193.html



These are very nice. The issue I have is the 1" hose ports which are not easily adaptable to LS applications. I know Lingenfelter recommended these for their turbo applications and sold them for LS applications. How did you connect the Provent to your engine? Have any pictures?
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Originally Posted by mysticbowtie
Amazing job Aaron!! After going through the thread, most of my questions were answered, but I was surprised to see that one wasn't brought up...

My intent is a dual Catch Can setup. I am however running very high boost, understand that a vacuum pump can drastically improve ring seal. How do I connect the vacuum pump into this setup?

This will be for an LTX motor, but if you wanted to draw a diagram, leave it on an LS engine for your ease. Thanks for any help!!
What intake, valve covers, and valley cover are you using? A vacuum pump application wouldn't typically need multiple catch cans. I can put something together but it may confuse the subject for some readers.

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Originally Posted by 405HP_Z06
What intake, valve covers, and valley cover are you using? A vacuum pump application wouldn't typically need multiple catch cans. I can put something together but it may confuse the subject for some readers.

Aaron
I have an LT4 intake, canton valve covers. I ordered an electric vacuum pump without reading through everything thoughly. I don't have room for a mechanical vacuum pump, so it's out of the question. Do you know if the electric pump will produce enough vacuum under WOT to even matter? It claims to produce 18-22 inches, but I know it was designed for brakes. I am wondering if I should just put a dual can setup on and hope for the best....?

I don't want to confuse anybody here, so if you want to PM me that would be fine. Thanks again for the knowledge and help!

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Morning,

I am in the process of setting up the Provent on my LS powered Audi, this is the first time I have used one on an LS so I am working out the fittings etc. Audi's have 3/4 ports so its easy.

I typically use these brass PEX couplers from Home Depot etc, add a bead of epoxy and gently tap it in and you are done (note mine are not tapped in yet)



Location in the bay:





Space is extremely tight in here so finding room for things is hard. I will plumb the provent as a dirty side initially, I am wondering about also plumbing in the clean side as a single can as the provent has vacuum control etc built into it.

I know it is not Ideal though and most likely will need to make a little clean side can too.

Note the clear lines are temporary to get the car up and running, also note the amount of oil in the clear lines on the 'clean' side which is not really clean at all.


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Here's the problem with a catch can. When is most of the blow-by produced? Under WOT. When DON'T you have any vacuum to pull oil vapor out of the crankcase and thru a traditional catch can? Under WOT. The normal routing can and will have vapor traveling backwards up the "fresh air supply" line and into the TB bypassing the catch can. They do something but aren't going to keep oil out of the manifold.

I tried a more elaborate system that was pretty cheap to put together and has worked better. It uses a valve cover breather to eliminate that path back to the TB and also uses an oil cooler to cool and condense vapors as well as an extremely large can with a lot of media to catch the droplets. It is mounted out of sight in front of the wheel on my '04 GTO. I later substituted copper "Chore Boys" for the media. Here is the unit for comparison next to an oil separator from Home Depot.

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Wondered why this thread kept popping up. Wow, some nice stuff being shared here. Those oil separators are pretty cool. Only concern I'd have w/ the Home Depot version would be steel wool peices getting by the screens & into the intake. Just an observation. The concept is excellent. Thanks guys for the info.

Damn! @ this rate there will be small oil recycling plants under our hoods, lol.
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Total waste of time and money just to have something "COOL" looking under your hood. I put a filter in line to test this theory and all I get a couple tablespoons full every 3,000 miles. LMAO
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Someone ID this catch can for me, where did it come from??

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Good info here

http://eliteengineeringusa.com/Insta...uctions_CC.pdf
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It looks like a TTC catch can same that I'm running on my tacoma.

http://ttcperformanceproducts.com/ttcpe2bicaca.html
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Hello all,

I just installed the Mike Norris catch can on my 1998 z28 with stock intake manifold , pcv etc. I've had it on for about 1 day and it has already caught some dribbles of oil

My confusion lies in some of the diagrams showing the rear passenger port plugged off and some show it left untouched. Which way is correct? I don't really want to mess with it if the way I have it is correct...
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Originally Posted by 405HP_Z06
I've added additional info to the diagrams based on the many questions I've received. See diagrams below, pick the one that matches your valley cover/engine configuration:


Man, reading through this thread, absorbing all of the info you put out, and most of all, LOOKING AT THIS DIAGRAM, helped a LOT. Thank you. I used all of the information I found here, and decided on a Saikou Michi dual setup. I used one of your diagrams in the write up I did, as well. I hope that's ok. https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ll-w-pics.html


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