shortie headers cost just as much some long-tubes, why would u waste the money and not get LT's? except for emissions, which who cares

example: eldelbrock shorties-$300 Pacesetter LT's-$360
if horsepower is the name of the game

 

i went through the whole thread again, besides One Person, No-One else agrees with dlively11.
Everyone thinks the graph is Fake and Misleading.

yeah shorties are better than Stock, but their not 43hp good, especially for money
LT's really the only way to go

 

Okay here is another Dyno sheet for you comparing Lts and C-5 vette manifolds.

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...est/index.html

If cast vette manifolds can do that doesn't it seem logical that shorties will work just as well if not better.

I bought my shorties for 100 bucks how much did you pay for yours? It also seems to me that some people don't mind them.

 

43RWHP gain with shorties.


Not even gonna waste my time here with a response to that.

 

40+hp?! i'm gonna go put my shorties back on!

 

i went to the LSX shootout, and guess what, i didnt see ONE participant with Shorties

if Anyone knows, wouldnt it be those guys?

 

I put a chip on my car last week and gained 87 rwhp :0

 

Oh NO no no..

Edelbrock shorties new 300

Pacesetter LT's 360
Cats 300
Y pipe 200
Tune to remove AIR EGR 125 (for racing headers)

That's a better sum of the two.

Hell I know shorties are not as good as Lt's but in my opinion for the money and the difference in horse to a stock engine, Lt's are not worth it in my opinion.

Let the ripping begin.

 

Oh and for the record I don't believe the original Dyno either.

 

You make a strong argument. Thats precisely the reason that I went with them on my LT1, cuz I did't have to worry with any other parts to make it work. But, I didnt have anything in mind other than creating a bolton type car (pulleys, CAI, ewp, gears, etc).

I will say though that if an individual doesnt care about cats then they can get into a coated LT setup with a pacesetter Y for less than $500. As far as the SES lights go that's in a tune, ie something that should be done for any major change to an engine, to include shorties.

 

Your right and for some that's fine, for others they're having to worry about inspection every year and it's just a pain. In my opinion most Ls1 owners don't run past the stock limiter, what is that 6000 or 6200, I am not impressed with Lt's compared to shorties up until that point. There is a market for shorties and there are people that like them.

 

Let it go. OP...

 

I watched shorties and gutted cats pickup 7rwhp on the same day over the factory manifolds and cats on a boltons F-body. Those gains came mostly from the cats.


Original poster, seems you are looking for info to support your opinion. Given what you posted, you haven't found it. Any solid data will tell you the same as well.

 

I don't know the carcraft article seemed convincing to me.

 

Go buy that 99+HP ebay "turbo chip" and that little fan that you put in from of your MAF for a real turbo setup while your at it.

 

Funny this topic came about. Reminds me of that episode of HPTV a couple years ago when they installed a set of Edelbrock TES shorties on a project '99 SS, and along with some handheld tuner they gained just shy of 20rwhp. With nothing else. Runs were before & aft on the same dyno. Ever since then i've been shaking my head in confusion....

 

Did you even read the article? Do me a favor read it think about it and give me some kind of fault in my logic. Don't insult my intelligence I was looking at a true comparison between c-5 corvette manifolds and several sets of the same companies headers. My logic is that if c5 vette manifolds do that then a set of good shorty headers should do about the same.

Tell me I am wrong based on their write up.

Argue that the headers they tested suck.

Say that there test was inconsistant.

Show me fault with the test.

Once again I know that LT's are better, but how much better on a stock engine? Compared to the money spent? I still think shorties are worth it.

Just think there should be a little more to the arguement then "shorties suck get long tubes" Sorry.

 

If all your going to do is bolt ons, the shorties would be OK if not for the fact that you can get long tubes for roughly the same price. The LT's will make slightly more power on a stock motor (though probably not really noticeable), and be a much better match for future mods. This is why I wouldn't buy them.

 

this is the only reason i went longtube instead of shorty i know i will be into heads and cams once the wow factor of my mere bolt ons goes away... then its time to open up the goody and see bout 400 to the wheels!

 

That dyno graph looks too "smooth" to be real.