**NEW** 102mm Cathedral Port - F.A.S.T. Intake
01-19-2010, 07:13 AM
#62
Me too, the abominable snowman is awesome!
Wow, actual common sense on the forums......I'm almost speechless.
Common sense gone...back to the regularly scheduled programming.....
Now lets take it farther; lets be upset about $1000 intake then talk about a $4000-$8000 intake instead...
Now lets take it farther; lets be upset about $1000 intake then talk about a $4000-$8000 intake instead...
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01-19-2010, 10:18 AM
#63
and thats just scratching the surface of what cost are involved in making somthing like this
01-19-2010, 06:51 PM
#65
The ITB thing was more of a joke than a direct comparison to a FAST intake... I'm fully aware of the cost of ITB's and their effects on an engine.
By now there shouldn't be nearly as much R&D work in these Fast Intakes because there isn't much that has changed. I'm not gonna get into an argument over R&D cost because thats not the topic at hand. The price is high on a FAST intake period regardless. I'm sure everyone will agree on that.
The only reason I'd get rid of my 90 for this new one is for the 102mm throttle opening. I'm sure it would help my 403 out to have a bigger TB.
01-19-2010, 08:44 PM
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I have to point out that there is conflicting evidence on needing more then a ported 90 mm tb on a 402 or in your case 403. Initial thoughts on my 90 to 95mm swap were thought to be good, but in retrospect popular opinion of those involved in the conversation is that the gains were from doing a dyno pull after final tuning and not the larger tb. The initial gains posted from last year were due to unresolved tuning issues at the other shop I was involved with. No motivation for posting this other then to have you think twice before you get one of the new huge Tb's unless you really need it. I am 100% happy with my 95 mm, but would've been happier with the money in my pocket that I most likely didn't need to spend.
*If you do feel you need a larger TB, give Tech sponsor Terry Lewis a call. (REV)
*If you do feel you need a larger TB, give Tech sponsor Terry Lewis a call. (REV)
01-19-2010, 09:55 PM
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I have to point out that there is conflicting evidence on needing more then a ported 90 mm tb on a 402 or in your case 403. Initial thoughts on my 90 to 95mm swap were thought to be good, but in retrospect popular opinion of those involved in the conversation is that the gains were from doing a dyno pull after final tuning and not the larger tb. The initial gains posted from last year were due to unresolved tuning issues at the other shop I was involved with. No motivation for posting this other then to have you think twice before you get one of the new huge Tb's unless you really need it. I am 100% happy with my 95 mm, but would've been happier with the money in my pocket that I most likely didn't need to spend.
*If you do feel you need a larger TB, give Tech sponsor Terry Lewis a call. (REV)
*If you do feel you need a larger TB, give Tech sponsor Terry Lewis a call. (REV)
01-20-2010, 02:40 AM
#68
I agree the FAST is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced. As far as R&D goes, explain to me why all the other intakes out there cost about half the price, some less... Sure, they don't make us much power but over a 50% price increase over all the other intakes on the market doesn't justify the cost/power ratio sorry...
They are PROUD, they are getting what they ask, and they are ripping people off because of it. Nothing will change while people continue to purchase it, end of story...
FAST Intakes = Golden Plastic
They are PROUD, they are getting what they ask, and they are ripping people off because of it. Nothing will change while people continue to purchase it, end of story...
FAST Intakes = Golden Plastic
01-20-2010, 04:33 AM
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i have been doing some shopping for a new intake myself, i saw this sucker and i thought omfg its amazing but i opted to go with the 92mm instead
i also got the FAST big mouth 92mm throttle body. so far i ahve only seen the big mouth for the 102mm as well. unless your running some serious forced induction, would something that big really give you that much more?
i also got the FAST big mouth 92mm throttle body. so far i ahve only seen the big mouth for the 102mm as well. unless your running some serious forced induction, would something that big really give you that much more?
01-20-2010, 05:58 AM
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Before you sell your intake and buy a bigger combo, you need to collect some data and see if you're still pulling vacuum at high rpms. Easiest way is to turn on the ignition without the car running and see what the map reading is, that's atmospheric pressure. Then do a WOT run to redline and see if your map reading drops compaired to the engine off reading. If you're not pulling a vacum in the intake, then you're not going to see much gain from going to a better flowing intake manifold, the airflow restriction isn't in the intake tract.
But if at WOT, you see your MAP values drop, then you may be looking at a gain by going larger. Making more power is simply (well, not so simple) finding where the restriction to flow is, and getting it to flow better. Is it the cylinder heads? Is it the exhaust?
But if at WOT, you see your MAP values drop, then you may be looking at a gain by going larger. Making more power is simply (well, not so simple) finding where the restriction to flow is, and getting it to flow better. Is it the cylinder heads? Is it the exhaust?
01-20-2010, 04:20 PM
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Before you sell your intake and buy a bigger combo, you need to collect some data and see if you're still pulling vacuum at high rpms. Easiest way is to turn on the ignition without the car running and see what the map reading is, that's atmospheric pressure. Then do a WOT run to redline and see if your map reading drops compaired to the engine off reading. If you're not pulling a vacum in the intake, then you're not going to see much gain from going to a better flowing intake manifold, the airflow restriction isn't in the intake tract.
But if at WOT, you see your MAP values drop, then you may be looking at a gain by going larger. Making more power is simply (well, not so simple) finding where the restriction to flow is, and getting it to flow better. Is it the cylinder heads? Is it the exhaust?
But if at WOT, you see your MAP values drop, then you may be looking at a gain by going larger. Making more power is simply (well, not so simple) finding where the restriction to flow is, and getting it to flow better. Is it the cylinder heads? Is it the exhaust?
