Tsp stainless vs. Bbk on install and fit
12-24-2011, 02:16 PM
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Tsp stainless vs. Bbk on install and fit I need some stories and install pics if you have any. Any horror stories of putting in the tsp? Is it worth the extra money for tsp and do i need to put in new motor mounts? I want to buy headers after the first of the year and want to do it right and have no rattles or hitting.
Thank you so much
Thank you so much
12-24-2011, 04:54 PM
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TSPs are a nightmare - first set I installed took two days - now I have it down to about 4hrs. Oil filter, drain plug, steering shaft, starter, dipstick tube all have to come out. Both motor mounts have to come out and the motor has to be lifted/shoved all the way to the passenger fender to get the drivers side in... passenger side is just a bit easier
No experience with BBKs but I will say the ARs I installed went in easier than the factory manifolds and only required removing the dipstick tube. The set I removed from another car almost fell out...
No experience with BBKs but I will say the ARs I installed went in easier than the factory manifolds and only required removing the dipstick tube. The set I removed from another car almost fell out...
12-24-2011, 07:12 PM
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I just put the TSP stainless headers in. Of course, with ANY system you have to remove the dip stick oil filter. Easy.
I did NOT have to remove my starter. I really don't know where these nightmare installs come from. As far as sliding them in and out, it's really easy. If you can change oil, you can install headers.
The steering shaft is just 2 bolts. Is that hard? Did I miss something?
In the end, it's up to you. Do you want 1 3/4" primaries and a tiny 2.5" Y, or do you want better gains with an 1 7/8" primary with full 3" Y?
Do it once, do it right.
I did NOT have to remove my starter. I really don't know where these nightmare installs come from. As far as sliding them in and out, it's really easy. If you can change oil, you can install headers.
The steering shaft is just 2 bolts. Is that hard? Did I miss something?
In the end, it's up to you. Do you want 1 3/4" primaries and a tiny 2.5" Y, or do you want better gains with an 1 7/8" primary with full 3" Y?
Do it once, do it right.
12-24-2011, 08:58 PM
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I just put the TSP stainless headers in. Of course, with ANY system you have to remove the dip stick oil filter. Easy.
I did NOT have to remove my starter. I really don't know where these nightmare installs come from. As far as sliding them in and out, it's really easy. If you can change oil, you can install headers.
The steering shaft is just 2 bolts. Is that hard? Did I miss something?
In the end, it's up to you. Do you want 1 3/4" primaries and a tiny 2.5" Y, or do you want better gains with an 1 7/8" primary with full 3" Y?
Do it once, do it right.
I did NOT have to remove my starter. I really don't know where these nightmare installs come from. As far as sliding them in and out, it's really easy. If you can change oil, you can install headers.
The steering shaft is just 2 bolts. Is that hard? Did I miss something?
In the end, it's up to you. Do you want 1 3/4" primaries and a tiny 2.5" Y, or do you want better gains with an 1 7/8" primary with full 3" Y?
Do it once, do it right.
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12-24-2011, 10:51 PM
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My bbk install was easy, I took more time taking all the old stuff off and I have yet to scrape them anywhere (on bumpy dirt roads too). Its the best 370 bucks I have spent and they came with everything you need to install them with (except an 02 extender but it does come with wire and plastic to solder to the wire). Also like stated before with stock cubes the size difference won't make a difference.
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+1 on BBK fitment. I have installed 2 sets personally and they probably are the best fitment of all the headers I have seen/installed. However, the ORY could be better, does seem a little small...
12-25-2011, 12:23 AM
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Think what you will;
Go to the dyno section. Look at the graphs. 1 7/8" makes more power. Period.
I'm sorry guys. I know I'm coming off as a dick. It's not intended to be taken that way, but fact is fact. The information is out there. Just read it.
Even for a stock 346.
Go to the dyno section. Look at the graphs. 1 7/8" makes more power. Period.
I'm sorry guys. I know I'm coming off as a dick. It's not intended to be taken that way, but fact is fact. The information is out there. Just read it.
Even for a stock 346.
12-25-2011, 12:38 AM
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Think what you will;
Go to the dyno section. Look at the graphs. 1 7/8" makes more power. Period.
I'm sorry guys. I know I'm coming off as a dick. It's not intended to be taken that way, but fact is fact. The information is out there. Just read it.
Even for a stock 346.
Go to the dyno section. Look at the graphs. 1 7/8" makes more power. Period.
I'm sorry guys. I know I'm coming off as a dick. It's not intended to be taken that way, but fact is fact. The information is out there. Just read it.
Even for a stock 346.
12-25-2011, 09:15 AM
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12-25-2011, 09:29 AM
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I just put the TSP stainless headers in. Of course, with ANY system you have to remove the dip stick oil filter. Easy.
I did NOT have to remove my starter. I really don't know where these nightmare installs come from. As far as sliding them in and out, it's really easy. If you can change oil, you can install headers.
The steering shaft is just 2 bolts. Is that hard? Did I miss something?
In the end, it's up to you. Do you want 1 3/4" primaries and a tiny 2.5" Y, or do you want better gains with an 1 7/8" primary with full 3" Y?
Do it once, do it right.
I did NOT have to remove my starter. I really don't know where these nightmare installs come from. As far as sliding them in and out, it's really easy. If you can change oil, you can install headers.
The steering shaft is just 2 bolts. Is that hard? Did I miss something?
In the end, it's up to you. Do you want 1 3/4" primaries and a tiny 2.5" Y, or do you want better gains with an 1 7/8" primary with full 3" Y?
Do it once, do it right.
Think what you will;
Go to the dyno section. Look at the graphs. 1 7/8" makes more power. Period.
I'm sorry guys. I know I'm coming off as a dick. It's not intended to be taken that way, but fact is fact. The information is out there. Just read it.
Even for a stock 346.
Go to the dyno section. Look at the graphs. 1 7/8" makes more power. Period.
I'm sorry guys. I know I'm coming off as a dick. It's not intended to be taken that way, but fact is fact. The information is out there. Just read it.
Even for a stock 346.
Even tsp's test of their 1 7/8ths headers only had 7hp over 1 3/4 pacesetters on the dyno, and thats on an engine dyno on a chassis dyno you would never even notice that.. https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...o-results.html
Also I'd love for someone to post up a dyno slip back to back on the same dyno comparing the bbk y to a larger one. The reason being is that the bbk merge is better than some aftermarket 3" pipes and that alone would help power. Second, and this is my biggest point is that you're stuffing two 3" pipes into one 3" pipe? How can you say that its going to flow any better than two 2.5 pipes into a 3" pipe. A bolt on ls1 as a whole cant really use a bigger pipe than 3" to effectively make hp (4" mufflex systems dont make much more than 3" systems) so why would you need one of those on each side of the motor for the y pipe?
Again I'm not tryting to be a dick either but saying 1 3/4 headers are insuperior and that the 2.5 is tiny for an ls1 is somewhat misinformed.
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