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Old 06-24-2012, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lemons12
But you use stock rails which is a good bit of savings. and the 102 is a pita
People always throw this out there! You need injectors and a rail either way you look at it!

The money is either already spent or you have to buy.

FAST 90/92 you re-use the stuff you got. FAST 102, you SELL what you got and buy the 102 stuff. Money spent either way.
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since my injectors have 200k on them lq4 -- i was going to buy injectors anyway so i guess the consensus is to get the fast 102 with rails and new injec tors?

where has best price on williams cable 102 tbody
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All you need is a different style stock rail. Ls2 will work. No need for injectors.
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Originally Posted by andy-lswon
Don't worry I was a rape victim for a fast but I wanted it. Paid$1000 for a fast 90. It is fully ported with all brand new bolts and gaskets but still too much lol
Glad to hear I wasn't the only one lol
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Originally Posted by badazz81z28
People always throw this out there! You need injectors and a rail either way you look at it!

The money is either already spent or you have to buy.

FAST 90/92 you re-use the stuff you got. FAST 102, you SELL what you got and buy the 102 stuff. Money spent either way.

Why do you need injectors and rails either way? Stock rails and injectors will swap right over to a FAST 90/92.

How is it money spent if you reuse the stock stuff? That makes no sense. You can use stock injectors with a 102 also. It isn't money spent either way. LMAO

Where do you people get some of this stuff?

I have installed and ran all the intakes.. Personally, I would buy the 92 from that sponsor new and run what I had with a 90/92 TB. We are talking 3-5Rwhp MAX and save a few hundred bucks with a much easier installation and more room in an already cramped engine bay.
Some may not view it like that and thats fine... Just my opinion from already owning and seeing results from all of them.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Why do you need injectors and rails either way? Stock rails and injectors will swap right over to a FAST 90/92.

How is it money spent if you reuse the stock stuff? That makes no sense. You can use stock injectors with a 102 also. It isn't money spent either way. LMAO

Where do you people get some of this stuff?

I have installed and ran all the intakes.. Personally, I would buy the 92 from that sponsor new and run what I had with a 90/92 TB. We are talking 3-5Rwhp MAX and save a few hundred bucks with a much easier installation and more room in an already cramped engine bay.
Some may not view it like that and thats fine... Just my opinion from already owning and seeing results from all of them.
I fixed that with a GTO, we dont have cowls But thats a valid point, it would take some searching and work but a 102 and rails can be had for $850, what the new 92s are going for. But most people on here dont want to take the time to.

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since my injectors have 200k on them lq4 -- i was going to buy injectors anyway so i guess the consensus is to get the fast 102 with rails and new injec tors?

where has best price on williams cable 102 tbody
WS6 store, $338 IIRC
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Originally Posted by Blk98Vert
I fixed that with a GTO, we dont have cowls But thats a valid point, it would take some searching and work but a 102 and rails can be had for $850, what the new 92s are going for. But most people on here dont want to take the time to.
LOL true... The GTOs are a breeze compared to an fbody. Mine installing/installed was a PITA.
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We can fit the truck 102s or a Pro Flo with a cowl hood/notching the hood
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Why do you need injectors and rails either way? Stock rails and injectors will swap right over to a FAST 90/92.

How is it money spent if you reuse the stock stuff? That makes no sense. You can use stock injectors with a 102 also. It isn't money spent either way. LMAO

Where do you people get some of this stuff?

I have installed and ran all the intakes.. Personally, I would buy the 92 from that sponsor new and run what I had with a 90/92 TB. We are talking 3-5Rwhp MAX and save a few hundred bucks with a much easier installation and more room in an already cramped engine bay.
Some may not view it like that and thats fine... Just my opinion from already owning and seeing results from all of them.

What you are not understanding is an intake set-up needs injectors and a fuel rail whether it be a 90/92 or a 102. Do you run stock injectors on a H/C/I car??? hmmm...

Throwing out there the 102 needs new stuff is just an excuse to justify the high price of the old intakes.

Your stock rail and injectors may swap right over to the 90-92, but there is no reason you can't sell it for a stock LS2 stuff.
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We need a summit brand 102mm intake to come out...it would sell all day for $600...matter a fact I just need to create some tooling lol
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[QUOTE=badazz81z28;16451554]What you are not understanding is an intake set-up needs injectors and a fuel rail whether it be a 90/92 or a 102. Do you run stock injectors on a H/C/I car??? hmmm...


^^^ wnt YOU understand? You can use stock LS1 fuel rails on a 90/92? Ya you will probably get injectors with the HCI but you can save sum cash and time using the 90/92 set up
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Needing injectors for a heads and cam car does not mean you need them for a 102. That does not justify the high price of older intakes at all, it adds leverage for your already failing argument.

Chances are, if someone is installing any fast intake, they already heads and a cam, which means they already have larger injectors.

Do you run 16 injectors on your car?
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If you have an ls6 intake and bigger injectors and upgrade to a fast 102 do you need a different injector to fit the 102, assuming the bigger injectors flow enough to handle any increase the 102 gains?
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Originally Posted by badazz81z28
What you are not understanding is an intake set-up needs injectors and a fuel rail whether it be a 90/92 or a 102. Do you run stock injectors on a H/C/I car??? hmmm...

Throwing out there the 102 needs new stuff is just an excuse to justify the high price of the old intakes.

Your stock rail and injectors may swap right over to the 90-92, but there is no reason you can't sell it for a stock LS2 stuff.
O, so FAST intakes (all) need different rails and larger injectors? I guess we should spread the word, that new found fact.

I'm not justifying the reason for anything and I'm not backing either argument. I have owned both. There are pros and cons to both, just depends on how you look at it. I'll be damned if I spent 1000$ on a FAST intake. If you aren't a tard and look around you can still find used 90/92s for good prices (cheaper than a new 102).

If you went with a 90/92, why would you sell your rails/injectors that will fit for other stuff that will also fit. LMAO What am I not grasping here... I think we're having a miscommunication cause you aren't understanding everything that is going on.

Originally Posted by bww3588
Needing injectors for a heads and cam car does not mean you need them for a 102. That does not justify the high price of older intakes at all, it adds leverage for your already failing argument.
Absolutely not, I ran stock injectors on my 90 and on my 102... Both were H/C cars and neither were maxed out.

I don't have an "argument" and I see nothing wrong with my points, nothing is failing on my end.

Originally Posted by bww3588
Chances are, if someone is installing any fast intake, they already heads and a cam, which means they already have larger injectors.

Do you run 16 injectors on your car?
So all H/C cars need/have to have/have injectors? I wasn't aware you had to install injectors with H/C either.. Damn, I'm learning all sorts of stuff in this thread, keep the good info coming guys... I'll be able to write a book in a bit.
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Didn't say all need injectors. But most will depending on the size of the heads and cam. Hence "chances are" either way, none of my posts were directed toward you. I just can't quote on my phone.
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Originally Posted by bww3588
Didn't say all need injectors. But most will depending on the size of the heads and cam. Hence "chances are" either way, none of my posts were directed toward you. I just can't quote on my phone.
Ahhh... Got you, thought they were directed towards mine.

My 98 has prc stage 1 ls6 heads, Ms4 cam, and ported 90.. I still wasn't maxed, close but not maxed.
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Your right guys, I seem to only be looking at it from my view, where I'm doing this all at once. Thinking others are doing it the same way.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Ahhh... Got you, thought they were directed towards mine.

My 98 has prc stage 1 ls6 heads, Ms4 cam, and ported 90.. I still wasn't maxed, close but not maxed.
Lies! Dont you know as soon as you touch the motor Greentops are mandatory?
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Originally Posted by lemons12
Stock ls6... **** porting that. Move to a stock FAST before you port the ls6.

What heads are on the car right now?
as usual lemons is on the money. get the fast and dont worry about an intake ever again. if you do get the ls6, at least dont port it. i sold my ls6 yesterday to fund my 102mm setup. but in my case its a lil more necessary. if it was for 5hp id say hell no. 450-550rwhp ls6 ----600+ id say fast.
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Umm...I wouldnt run an LS6 on anything more than a bolt on car. It dies above 5500rpm. Seen too many double digit gains at around 400rwhp.



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