New intake at SEMA: MSD Airforce
12-19-2014, 01:53 PM
#221
Well well well....
It's amazing what information you can find out by actually picking up the phone and talking to folks...
I called MAST bc I'm trying to sort a head decision (which looks like it'll be the small bore LS3's) but that's a different topic and discussion entirely.
Chris @ Mast was talking to me about intakes and brought up the new MSD atomic... Lingenfelter was NOT the only company to conduct testing with these.
They were sent 3. They did dyno testing back to back with a regular run of the mill LS7, and the MSD simply blew the FAST out of the water, with gains EVERYWHERE, averaging about 20 over the Fast. The key is the design of the runners themselves, he said.
As we know, Mast builds a LOT of motors, and have always used Fast intakes. That's now going to change I'd imagine. They were very impressed, and the conversation was very enthusiastic, for a piece they don't even have or can sell yet.
Both intakes were brand new straight out of the box, unported and untouched.
Chris is going to talk to Horace and see if he will allow me the videos of the dynos, as well as the charts and all from the tests. If so, I'll have their full permission to post them here.
It's amazing what information you can find out by actually picking up the phone and talking to folks...
I called MAST bc I'm trying to sort a head decision (which looks like it'll be the small bore LS3's) but that's a different topic and discussion entirely.
Chris @ Mast was talking to me about intakes and brought up the new MSD atomic... Lingenfelter was NOT the only company to conduct testing with these.
They were sent 3. They did dyno testing back to back with a regular run of the mill LS7, and the MSD simply blew the FAST out of the water, with gains EVERYWHERE, averaging about 20 over the Fast. The key is the design of the runners themselves, he said.
As we know, Mast builds a LOT of motors, and have always used Fast intakes. That's now going to change I'd imagine. They were very impressed, and the conversation was very enthusiastic, for a piece they don't even have or can sell yet.
Both intakes were brand new straight out of the box, unported and untouched.
Chris is going to talk to Horace and see if he will allow me the videos of the dynos, as well as the charts and all from the tests. If so, I'll have their full permission to post them here.
12-20-2014, 09:49 AM
#222
If it beats my fast then I would sell it in a heart beat. However the ls7s I saw with big gains were worked over with a can at least. Lingenfelter even said so idk what masts was though.
There's a BIG difference between a 427 ls7 and 346 ls1 not to mention a cathedral head won't flow what an ls7 head will let alone with a cam. I. Want to see a comparison on a cam only ls1 and then one with h/c. My thinking is it will be pretty close cam only.
There's a BIG difference between a 427 ls7 and 346 ls1 not to mention a cathedral head won't flow what an ls7 head will let alone with a cam. I. Want to see a comparison on a cam only ls1 and then one with h/c. My thinking is it will be pretty close cam only.
12-20-2014, 11:41 AM
#224
If it beats my fast then I would sell it in a heart beat. However the ls7s I saw with big gains were worked over with a can at least. Lingenfelter even said so idk what masts was though.
There's a BIG difference between a 427 ls7 and 346 ls1 not to mention a cathedral head won't flow what an ls7 head will let alone with a cam. I. Want to see a comparison on a cam only ls1 and then one with h/c. My thinking is it will be pretty close cam only.
There's a BIG difference between a 427 ls7 and 346 ls1 not to mention a cathedral head won't flow what an ls7 head will let alone with a cam. I. Want to see a comparison on a cam only ls1 and then one with h/c. My thinking is it will be pretty close cam only.
12-20-2014, 01:42 PM
#226
A fast 102 picks up on a STOCK 346... I'd expect STOCK results to be similar between the two. I whole-heartedly expect the MSD to gain more on a modified H/C engine. The runners alone are a better shape to begin with.
Mast's tests were on a stock LS7. Lingenfelter's were on modified engines.
Mast's tests were on a stock LS7. Lingenfelter's were on modified engines.
12-20-2014, 02:41 PM
#228
Yeah I'm a bit at a loss on that myself. I don't know WHY they wouldn't know, or wouldn't discuss the information. They should've sent the most personable people they employed and really got out there and rang that cowbell.
It's odd to say the least; certainly did them no PR favors.
12-20-2014, 04:36 PM
#229
I read that statement from you... Gen4 section I believe?
Yeah I'm a bit at a loss on that myself. I don't know WHY they wouldn't know, or wouldn't discuss the information. They should've sent the most personable people they employed and really got out there and rang that cowbell.
It's odd to say the least; certainly did them no PR favors.
Yeah I'm a bit at a loss on that myself. I don't know WHY they wouldn't know, or wouldn't discuss the information. They should've sent the most personable people they employed and really got out there and rang that cowbell.
It's odd to say the least; certainly did them no PR favors.
12-20-2014, 05:18 PM
#230
I'm sure once it hits the market, we're going to see how good it really is.
I talked to both MSD and Lingenfelter at SEMA, and they both had a lot of good info about the intake, and the Lingenfelter guys were really impressed with it. They were the ones who convinced me it's the way to go with FI.
I talked to both MSD and Lingenfelter at SEMA, and they both had a lot of good info about the intake, and the Lingenfelter guys were really impressed with it. They were the ones who convinced me it's the way to go with FI.
12-20-2014, 06:52 PM
#231
Well well well....
It's amazing what information you can find out by actually picking up the phone and talking to folks...
I called MAST bc I'm trying to sort a head decision (which looks like it'll be the small bore LS3's) but that's a different topic and discussion entirely.
Chris @ Mast was talking to me about intakes and brought up the new MSD atomic... Lingenfelter was NOT the only company to conduct testing with these.
They were sent 3. They did dyno testing back to back with a regular run of the mill LS7, and the MSD simply blew the FAST out of the water, with gains EVERYWHERE, averaging about 20 over the Fast. The key is the design of the runners themselves, he said.
As we know, Mast builds a LOT of motors, and have always used Fast intakes. That's now going to change I'd imagine. They were very impressed, and the conversation was very enthusiastic, for a piece they don't even have or can sell yet.
Both intakes were brand new straight out of the box, unported and untouched.
Chris is going to talk to Horace and see if he will allow me the videos of the dynos, as well as the charts and all from the tests. If so, I'll have their full permission to post them here.
It's amazing what information you can find out by actually picking up the phone and talking to folks...
I called MAST bc I'm trying to sort a head decision (which looks like it'll be the small bore LS3's) but that's a different topic and discussion entirely.
Chris @ Mast was talking to me about intakes and brought up the new MSD atomic... Lingenfelter was NOT the only company to conduct testing with these.
They were sent 3. They did dyno testing back to back with a regular run of the mill LS7, and the MSD simply blew the FAST out of the water, with gains EVERYWHERE, averaging about 20 over the Fast. The key is the design of the runners themselves, he said.
As we know, Mast builds a LOT of motors, and have always used Fast intakes. That's now going to change I'd imagine. They were very impressed, and the conversation was very enthusiastic, for a piece they don't even have or can sell yet.
Both intakes were brand new straight out of the box, unported and untouched.
Chris is going to talk to Horace and see if he will allow me the videos of the dynos, as well as the charts and all from the tests. If so, I'll have their full permission to post them here.
The MSD does not look nearly as good as the FAST though. Looks easy enough to sand the lettering off and then finish it with a satin wrinkle black finish however.
12-20-2014, 07:15 PM
#232
Very good to hear.. wonder how it's going to hold up under boost compared to the FAST. I've got a Procharged C6Z now I would maybe like to try it later on after others are the guinea pigs. It's no wonder FAST came up with the new runner designs last minute to compete with MSD. The MSD does not look nearly as good as the FAST though. Looks easy enough to sand the lettering off and then finish it with a satin wrinkle black finish however.
Also, I've noticed in other pictures the top shell gasket looks MUCH better than Fast's rope gasket. The MSD's looks like it's made from the same material as our port seals... Very robust!!
12-20-2014, 08:34 PM
#233
Very good to hear.. wonder how it's going to hold up under boost compared to the FAST. I've got a Procharged C6Z now I would maybe like to try it later on after others are the guinea pigs. It's no wonder FAST came up with the new runner designs last minute to compete with MSD.
The MSD does not look nearly as good as the FAST though. Looks easy enough to sand the lettering off and then finish it with a satin wrinkle black finish however.
The MSD does not look nearly as good as the FAST though. Looks easy enough to sand the lettering off and then finish it with a satin wrinkle black finish however.
12-20-2014, 09:44 PM
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I had thought the fast intake was more of a restriction on the ls7 heads (because they flow so much more) so I wonder if the gains won't be so great on the cathedral heads. I have a fast 92 on a 427 w/ TFS 235 heads so it would be awesome if I could gain that much.
12-20-2014, 10:34 PM
#236
I had thought the fast intake was more of a restriction on the ls7 heads (because they flow so much more) so I wonder if the gains won't be so great on the cathedral heads. I have a fast 92 on a 427 w/ TFS 235 heads so it would be awesome if I could gain that much.
12-21-2014, 12:45 AM
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A fast 102 picks up on a STOCK 346... I'd expect STOCK results to be similar between the two. I whole-heartedly expect the MSD to gain more on a modified H/C engine. The runners alone are a better shape to begin with.
Mast's tests were on a stock LS7. Lingenfelter's were on modified engines.
Mast's tests were on a stock LS7. Lingenfelter's were on modified engines.
12-21-2014, 06:15 AM
#239
A fast 102 picks up on a STOCK 346... I'd expect STOCK results to be similar between the two. I whole-heartedly expect the MSD to gain more on a modified H/C engine. The runners alone are a better shape to begin with.
Mast's tests were on a stock LS7. Lingenfelter's were on modified engines.
Mast's tests were on a stock LS7. Lingenfelter's were on modified engines.
Cam only I think they'll be pretty close but as you get into Aftermarket castings or larger cubes the msd will shine more but for a simply cammed 346 either intake will be on par with eachother
12-21-2014, 08:57 AM
#240
Very good to hear.. wonder how it's going to hold up under boost compared to the FAST. I've got a Procharged C6Z now I would maybe like to try it later on after others are the guinea pigs. It's no wonder FAST came up with the new runner designs last minute to compete with MSD.
The MSD does not look nearly as good as the FAST though. Looks easy enough to sand the lettering off and then finish it with a satin wrinkle black finish however.