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Old Nov 10, 2014 | 05:14 PM
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is this normal? It seems like the top has more space in between the block than the bottom? I used the crank installer tool to install it, and i tried to remove it again with crank pulley removal tool but it's so damn tight that i couldn't even remove the pulley.

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Kind of looks like your crank seal on the timing cover is not seated correctly?
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Kind of looks like your crank seal on the timing cover is not seated correctly?
That's what i found out. I think i fixed the issue. I use a extension and put it in between the seals and the pulley and gently tapped in. I still unable to take the pulley off though. I used the arp flywheel bolts and a pry bar to hold it in and when i crank it, the pulley turn but didn't wanna come lose. Any suggestions?I don't think my power tool has enough psi to get it off.
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I had to use the blue wrench (mapp gas torch) on the hub. With puller and tension on it, use a mapp gas torch around the center section|hub for a minute or two. This should get it good and hot, but do NOT get it depths of hell red hot. Should slide right off after you warm it up.
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Originally Posted by 03Sssnake
I had to use the blue wrench (mapp gas torch) on the hub. With puller and tension on it, use a mapp gas torch around the center section|hub for a minute or two. This should get it good and hot, but do NOT get it depths of hell red hot. Should slide right off after you warm it up.

Don't it have a rubber thing inside the hub. I heard its a bad idea heating it up since that will melt the rubber. I might be wrong. But since you've done it, I might try it sir.
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I don't usually do it, never had to on my previous cars, but my 99 gave me hell during my last cam swap. Whose pulley is that? Looks like an older ASP or Powerbond. Do you still have the crank bolt in there, just turned out 3-4 turns? You just heat up the center|hub section, not the entire pulley and only for a minute or two tops, just get it a little heat in it.
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Originally Posted by 03Sssnake
I don't usually do it, never had to on my previous cars, but my 99 gave me hell during my last cam swap. Whose pulley is that? Looks like an older ASP or Powerbond. Do you still have the crank bolt in there, just turned out 3-4 turns? You just heat up the center|hub section, not the entire pulley and only for a minute or two tops, just get it a little heat in it.

It is a used asp pulley that I bought from someone on here. I'll try that method and see. So do you leave the bolt in when you heat it up or out?
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leave the bolt in, turned out 3-4 thread with the 3-jaw puller still on w/ tension on the pulley
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Dude I managed to get it off finally. I have to end up getting a slide hammer and tap the crap out of it. That balanced is trashed.
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Buy a ati. Spend more, save bearings.
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Originally Posted by ls6jay
Buy a ati. Spend more, save bearings.
I was thinking of getting texas speed kit.
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Dude I managed to get it off finally. I have to end up getting a slide hammer and tap the crap out of it. That balanced is trashed.
Hopefully you didn't hammer the **** out of your thrust bearing.

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Originally Posted by Project GatTagO
Hopefully you didn't hammer the **** out of your thrust bearing.

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I hope so to. Is there a way to check? I have to spent at least 5 mins heating the hub out before tapping it with a hammer
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you are using the puller incorrectly...you will never get it off using it like you have pictured

the puller goes inside on the three small flat spots on the pulley
NOT on the outside of the pulley like you have it on that picture..







if you dont have flat sopts on the inside of your pulley
it takes a 3 bolt puller...

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There is no spots inside the pulley for asp. Tried the other ones. All the bolts that threaded to the pulley ended up break or bent.
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
I hope so to. Is there a way to check? I have to spent at least 5 mins heating the hub out before tapping it with a hammer
Use a dial indicator to measure the crank thrust clearance. If its out of spec then you will need a new thrust bearing at a minimum.

By having such a small base sized puller the arms weren't parallel with the outer belt grooves from front to back. This probably multiplied the force necessary to remove the pulley by 10. The arms where they attach to the puller base should have been spaced as far apart as the pulley is in diameter for the pull to be a correct 1:1 ratio.
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
There is no spots inside the pulley for asp. Tried the other ones. All the bolts that threaded to the pulley ended up break or bent.
if the bolts bend, then you never had the tool mounted properly
if they break, its because you didnt use a grade 8 bolt


we pull 4-5 balancers off per month and never have any issues....


the tool you show in the picture will never work the way you have it...just cant get enough torque to pull on the pulley, its all wasted going inwards from the extreme angle

you could try a Large 8" or 9" 3 jaw puller, it would give you the leverage you need

but the 3 bolt style works 100% of the time for us when it doesnt have the 3 tabs inside.
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Originally Posted by JRENIGAR
Use a dial indicator to measure the crank thrust clearance. If its out of spec then you will need a new thrust bearing at a minimum.

By having such a small base sized puller the arms weren't parallel with the outer belt grooves from front to back. This probably multiplied the force necessary to remove the pulley by 10. The arms where they attach to the puller base should have been spaced as far apart as the pulley is in diameter for the pull to be a correct 1:1 ratio.
I've actually saw a video how to do that. Thanks. Is it necessary to take the main caps though?
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
if the bolts bend, then you never had the tool mounted properly
if they break, its because you didnt use a grade 8 bolt


we pull 4-5 balancers off per month and never have any issues....


the tool you show in the picture will never work the way you have it...just cant get enough torque to pull on the pulley, its all wasted going inwards from the extreme angle

you could try a Large 8" or 9" 3 jaw puller, it would give you the leverage you need

but the 3 bolt style works 100% of the time for us when it doesnt have the 3 tabs inside.

Where do you get the tools from. The jaw puller is from advanced and the bolts puller is from autozone. I just used the bolts that were supplied by the kit. But it's out now. But I'll keep it in mind . I'm sure I have to remove the pulley in the future.

Thanks guys!
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
I've actually saw a video how to do that. Thanks. Is it necessary to take the main caps though?
No, main caps stay torqued down or the reading would be wrong.
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