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Old May 30, 2020 | 06:01 PM
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Which would be more fun for a 100% street driven car? 3.90 gears with a cam in the 22x/23x range and stock 243 heads or a tsp stage 1 243 and same size cam with stock 3.42 gears for an m6 346 ls1? Both with the ls6 intake and 1 7/8 headers. I already have clean set of unmilled 243s with dual .660 springs. A gear swap and worked heads should be similar in price.
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M6 car?

For fun to drive nothing really beats a set of 4.10's and a good aftermarket shifter. The 3.90's are also a good choice.
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For fun to drive nothing really beats a set of 4.10's and a good aftermarket shifter. The 3.90's are also a good choice.
Correct an m6. I want the 4.10s but am worried about the strength vs the 3.9. But they should be pretty close right?
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On that setup gears will have more of an impact than heads.
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I'll be going for gears then. Thanks for the replies.
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Originally Posted by LS_ELKO41
Correct an m6. I want the 4.10s but am worried about the strength vs the 3.9. But they should be pretty close right?
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In a M6 car with 10 bolt 3.90 or 4.10 are both going to fragile compared to the same gears in a 8.8 or 9 inch etc. . My H&C M6 TA ran 4.10's for 125,000 + miles they never broke but sounded like a jet engine with whine when I got a new 8.8 rear end.

Get a good quality gear regardless of if they are 3.90's or 4.10's
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In a M6 car with 10 bolt 3.90 or 4.10 are both going to fragile compared to the same gears in a 8.8 or 9 inch etc. . My H&C M6 TA ran 4.10's for 125,000 + miles they never broke but sounded like a jet engine with whine when I got a new 8.8 rear end.

Get a good quality gear regardless of if they are 3.90's or 4.10's
looks like aam only makes 4.10 but I'm really wanting 3.90 if possible. Are motives bad?
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3.90 = 10 & 39, nominal pinion dia 1.955"
4.10 = 10 & 41, nominal pinion dia 1.860"

Any difference in strength is minimal at most. Still a pinion that's too tiny to stand up to real stress.

Regardless, I think more gear will give more fun than more heads, even if there's more risk of failure. Fun vs risk.
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I'd advise not spending money on gears and saving for a 9" or a 12 bolt that will come with the gears you want. Then you can beat the trash out of it at every stop light and you will break the trans before the rear.
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
3.90 = 10 & 39, nominal pinion dia 1.955"
4.10 = 10 & 41, nominal pinion dia 1.860"

Any difference in strength is minimal at most. Still a pinion that's too tiny to stand up to real stress.

Regardless, I think more gear will give more fun than more heads, even if there's more risk of failure. Fun vs risk.
Cool yeah I'm not worried about breaking anything. This is my weekend car and I already have a small upgrade from the stock 241 heads with the 243s.
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I'd advise not spending money on gears and saving for a 9" or a 12 bolt that will come with the gears you want. Then you can beat the trash out of it at every stop light and you will break the trans before the rear.
Makes sense but I am not putting as much into this car as I had once hoped and just want it to be more fun on the cheap for now. I was planning on a full out h/c/I build with an s60 just a little over a year ago but life happened and I'm not that serious about dropping so much coin in this car. I know the 10 bolt is weak and this may very well be money wasted but for now I'm good with it.
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Running 4.10s here in a 10 bolt with a 6 speed and 28 inch tall drag radials and >600whp on the street, no issues. Just don't try to clutch dump it and it'll live.
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Originally Posted by LS_ELKO41
looks like aam only makes 4.10 but I'm really wanting 3.90 if possible. Are motives bad?

I think we used Motives but that was 18 years ago. There's an old Motive Gear box my garage my stock 3.42's were in. Any of the fine LS1Tech vendors should be able to tell you who has the best quality gears today.

I rolled into launching by slipping the clutch no dumps. Dumps will kill the 10 bolt quickly as mentioned.

Does you car has the stock clutch or aftermarket?
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Originally Posted by 99 Black Bird T/A
I think we used Motives but that was 18 years ago. There's an old Motive Gear box my garage my stock 3.42's were in. Any of the fine LS1Tech vendors should be able to tell you who has the best quality gears today.

I rolled into launching by slipping the clutch no dumps. Dumps will kill the 10 bolt quickly as mentioned.

Does you car has the stock clutch or aftermarket?
going to go ls7 for now. I know its heavy but I'm not trying to set records and it should hold my around 420 rwhp.
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Gears. 4.11's in a 9" Moser, or strange, or Currie. Break the bank once and never worry about it again.
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Originally Posted by LS_ELKO41
going to go ls7 for now. I know its heavy but I'm not trying to set records and it should hold my around 420 rwhp.
Gotcha. My stock clutch held 418whp surprisingly well for a long time. A clutch upgrade is excellent to do. The LS7 should hold up well for a good while.

Later a 9 inch is etc as other's mentioned is a nice upgrade.I eventually went with a Hawk's 8.8 and have been happy with it.
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I tried two different sets of Motives in my Mustang 20 some years ago and they both whined. Maybe I was unlucky.
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Originally Posted by RB04Av
3.90 = 10 & 39, nominal pinion dia 1.955"
4.10 = 10 & 41, nominal pinion dia 1.860"

Any difference in strength is minimal at most. Still a pinion that's too tiny to stand up to real stress.

Regardless, I think more gear will give more fun than more heads, even if there's more risk of failure. Fun vs risk.
I suggest 4.11 gears at 37/9. Stronger than both sets. Approx 10% thicker teeth vs 4.10
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
I suggest 4.11 gears at 37/9. Stronger than both sets. Approx 10% thicker teeth vs 4.10
These fit the 7.5 GM 10 bolt?
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