3" y vs. 3" duals...
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3" y vs. 3" duals... well i went to a local speed shop today to look around. the shop is called harder performance in overland park kansas. i got to talking with the owner about exhaust and he tried telling me that a 3" y pipe setup will flow more than a 3" true dual setup. the first thing he told me is it cant be done due to ground clearance. then he proceded to tell me that it would make less power. i thought i would share this with you guys... it sure made me laugh.
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You'll get that a lot. I find that most people at exhaust shops are complete idiots and think they know everything about every car that comes in. I had a guy honestly try to tell me that you would see no performance gains by installing a cutout.
Thats because they cant or just dont want to do it.
I once had someone tell me they couldnt put true duals on my 84 Camaro because when I tried to take a turn it would throw me off the road! I think this dude got exhaust and spools mixed up (not that a spool would do that). You hear all kinds of crap from exhaust shops about these cars.
I once had someone tell me they couldnt put true duals on my 84 Camaro because when I tried to take a turn it would throw me off the road! I think this dude got exhaust and spools mixed up (not that a spool would do that). You hear all kinds of crap from exhaust shops about these cars.
Originally Posted by Full-Force
I once had someone tell me they couldnt put true duals on my 84 Camaro because when I tried to take a turn it would throw me off the road! I think this dude got exhaust and spools mixed up (not that a spool would do that). You hear all kinds of crap from exhaust shops about these cars.
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oh no it wasnt just an exhaust shop. they had a chassis dyno and the owner himself has a ls1 camaro. they do pretty much anything and everything there. i also talked to him about a cam install and he told me it would be about 10 hours or so just to get the stock cam out... and he charged 60 bucks an hour for labor... kinda makes me want to drive down to texas and work with tsp.
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Originally Posted by scifone
oh no it wasnt just an exhaust shop. they had a chassis dyno and the owner himself has a ls1 camaro. they do pretty much anything and everything there. i also talked to him about a cam install and he told me it would be about 10 hours or so just to get the stock cam out... and he charged 60 bucks an hour for labor... kinda makes me want to drive down to texas and work with tsp.
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If he says it takes 10 hours to get the stock cam out then you need to run away.. far far away..
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Bah! That's when realize you are going to leave and say "Really, only took me and 1 to get down to the stock cam. Maybe you should work for me!" and laugh in his face.
I live in OP, KS right now and I've never heard of Harder performance. You say they have a chassis dyno too? I've only been to MC Racing in Merriam for my dyno trips. Do they have a dynojet there? Anyways, I'm sure he fed you that crap about the exhaust b/c 99% of shops around here won't mess with the converters. I had to get "hooked up" with a place that did a custom y-pipe for my '94 Z28 after I put longtubes on it. I don't see what the big deal around here is especially since KS doesn't check emissions.
Yeah, I've never been to that shop either, but I've been to MC Racing (to dyno another vehicle, haven't had time to take my current one there yet).
I've had similar experiences. My dad and I (I'm 21 in May) restored a '69 Mustang Mach 1 while I was in high school, and we took it to an exhaust shop and they told us that 2.5" dual exhaust wouldn't fit on that car. Now I doubt you guys have seen, but there is A LOT of room for exhaust on that car compared to f-bodies. Needlesstosay, I believed him at the time and got 2.25" dual exhaust put on, and I have regreted it ever since. I'm going to have it changed out sometime, maybe for 3" to an x-pipe reduced to 2.5" out the back.
Anyway, DO NOT pay that much for an install like that. I'm planning on putting a cam in my car (along with heads) sometime in the next year and I've never done it before. I hear it's not that hard. If you don't have time or the tools to do an install, find someone who has done it before in the area. If you are really desperate, I'd do it cheap, even though I've never done one before (but we have tons of tools and a drive on lift).
But seriously, a lot of shops are a joke. I have heard MCRacing is better, so you might check them out.
I've had similar experiences. My dad and I (I'm 21 in May) restored a '69 Mustang Mach 1 while I was in high school, and we took it to an exhaust shop and they told us that 2.5" dual exhaust wouldn't fit on that car. Now I doubt you guys have seen, but there is A LOT of room for exhaust on that car compared to f-bodies. Needlesstosay, I believed him at the time and got 2.25" dual exhaust put on, and I have regreted it ever since. I'm going to have it changed out sometime, maybe for 3" to an x-pipe reduced to 2.5" out the back.
Anyway, DO NOT pay that much for an install like that. I'm planning on putting a cam in my car (along with heads) sometime in the next year and I've never done it before. I hear it's not that hard. If you don't have time or the tools to do an install, find someone who has done it before in the area. If you are really desperate, I'd do it cheap, even though I've never done one before (but we have tons of tools and a drive on lift).
But seriously, a lot of shops are a joke. I have heard MCRacing is better, so you might check them out.
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thanks for the advice... hope the h/c install goes well. i would probably rather pay $200 in tools than have that shop do it. it would be a good learning experience as well. the owner also told me that he thought it would be a better idea to keep fixing the 10 bolt on his car every time it breaks than to shell out a couple grand for a 12 bolt... this guy doesnt seem to know much... especially for how many cars he has worked on.
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harder performance is located on nieman between 95th st and 87th st. the address is like 9120 neiman. it is on the west side of the road just north of the soccer fields by oak park mall. im not sure of the dyno they have but i would be safe to say it would probably be expensive based on what they told me about a cam install.
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Exhaust shops do have some crazy people working for them. I once went to this exhaust shop to have a bullet put in my I pipe and the owner said his exhaust guys will be there in about 15 min to check it out. So the guy gets there and put its on the lift and I tell him I want this put in the I pipe. He said what is that? I said it's a muffler. He started looking and trying to figure out how it would work. I told him I think I changed my mind I'm just gonna leave it the way it is. I'm glad he didn't start cutting or welding. So he took it off the lift and I was getting out of there.
Originally Posted by scifone
thanks for the advice... hope the h/c install goes well. i would probably rather pay $200 in tools than have that shop do it. it would be a good learning experience as well. the owner also told me that he thought it would be a better idea to keep fixing the 10 bolt on his car every time it breaks than to shell out a couple grand for a 12 bolt... this guy doesnt seem to know much... especially for how many cars he has worked on.
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that would be great... but its not like im going to do anything right now though. i was just shopping around and seeing what this kind of stuff would cost. just out of curiosity where are you located? this sounds like it would be pretty fun.
While I agree that the guy was a tool for saying that TDs can't be done, he might not be totally off base by saying that a Y pipe will make more power, this may actually be true in many cases.
I think the jury is still out on which actually does make more power, TDs or a proper ORY pipe with cut out set up.
I think the jury is still out on which actually does make more power, TDs or a proper ORY pipe with cut out set up.