Intake questions
Intake questions.... I have a 98 formula and with full line of suspension and driveline upgrades. I know the car has slp stainless exhaust and y pipe.
I too also wanted to add more power besides nitrous. That will be later on.
However, I wanted to put on the ls6 intake. Is this a direct bolt on other than a tune? If so, I was looking at the gm part numbers and is this item 88894339 all I will need.
I know that FAST has a little more output when using it's throttle body, but not sure if it's worth the $1500 setup when the ls6 intake can be bought for less than $450 shipped and say an slp or bbk intake for around $350.00.
Another question about emissions if I delete the EGR?
Any input would be helpful.
thanks!
I too also wanted to add more power besides nitrous. That will be later on.
However, I wanted to put on the ls6 intake. Is this a direct bolt on other than a tune? If so, I was looking at the gm part numbers and is this item 88894339 all I will need.
I know that FAST has a little more output when using it's throttle body, but not sure if it's worth the $1500 setup when the ls6 intake can be bought for less than $450 shipped and say an slp or bbk intake for around $350.00.
Another question about emissions if I delete the EGR?
Any input would be helpful.
thanks!
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well, if you plan to stay on stock cubes, then the fast gains, unless you have a full heads/cam swap will be only marginal over a good ls6 intake and ported throttle body. Also, the fast is good for F.I..... In my opinion id get the ls6, cause it will definetly help, and have noticeable gains, yet it will not be quite as high as the lsx combo, but you can put the extra 1000 for something else....
Originally Posted by natronathon
well, if you plan to stay on stock cubes, then the fast gains, unless you have a full heads/cam swap will be only marginal over a good ls6 intake and ported throttle body. Also, the fast is good for F.I..... In my opinion id get the ls6, cause it will definetly help, and have noticeable gains, yet it will not be quite as high as the lsx combo, but you can put the extra 1000 for something else....
Originally Posted by Swang
SLP sells them for 500 bucks with EGR so you dont have to do the delete. just thught id throw that out if it helps at all.
I need to find out if there's one on there now, says they look identical from the outside. I know the exhaust was changed and a y pipe was added. I really need to look to see if the egr has been removed. I really didn't look so I will when I get home. I am hoping it's already done honestly.
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I'd get the ls6 intake from SLP as it has everything that you need for the install. The extra parts it comes with are 2 coolant block off plates and a revised coolant pipe. The non egr setup is $400+shipping from SLP. I feel that it is well worth spending another 50-100 to get new parts so you know that there will not be any issues. I was lucky and got mine over the holidays for 10% off with free shipping. The install wasn't half as bad as my header/y-pipe install. If you still have EGR I'd bet with 95+% certainty that you still have the stock ls1 intake.
Originally Posted by v8hunter
I'd get the ls6 intake from SLP as it has everything that you need for the install. The extra parts it comes with are 2 coolant block off plates and a revised coolant pipe. The non egr setup is $400+shipping from SLP. I feel that it is well worth spending another 50-100 to get new parts so you know that there will not be any issues. I was lucky and got mine over the holidays for 10% off with free shipping. The install wasn't half as bad as my header/y-pipe install. If you still have EGR I'd bet with 95+% certainty that you still have the stock ls1 intake.
Looks like the headers are factory. Hmm, I have one bolt in the intake where the egr goes in, I guess the original owner had it off. Oh well.
Originally Posted by PewterY2KZ28
I added 15HP from my LS6 intake.. "way back when"... in earlier mod's...
Originally Posted by just-a-z
FAST 90/90! Do it right the first time and save yourself money and headaches down the road. You can ALWAYS go faster
Damn too many choices.
I've been doing allot of research here (lots of forum discussion), but still a real toss up.
I still have the EGR but I am thinking about removing it since it can't be an emisssions requirement if the 2000+ removed it. I can't see why that can't be done.
So I was thinking the non-egr ls6 intake with a 80mm bbk intake. I could do the setup for half the price of the lsx 90/90 setup.
Now I see people playing with the ls2 intake. Any thoughts on going that route?
Wow, like I said, too many damn choices now.
I am thinking of going to a cam also, something in the average range on this chart. I assume this should be ok on stock heads.
http://www.ls1howto.com/howto/fbody/...mspectrum1.jpg
Any info would be nice. This is what makes it fun, ok sometimes, too many choices, lol.
I still have the EGR but I am thinking about removing it since it can't be an emisssions requirement if the 2000+ removed it. I can't see why that can't be done.
So I was thinking the non-egr ls6 intake with a 80mm bbk intake. I could do the setup for half the price of the lsx 90/90 setup.
Now I see people playing with the ls2 intake. Any thoughts on going that route?
Wow, like I said, too many damn choices now.
I am thinking of going to a cam also, something in the average range on this chart. I assume this should be ok on stock heads.
http://www.ls1howto.com/howto/fbody/...mspectrum1.jpg
Any info would be nice. This is what makes it fun, ok sometimes, too many choices, lol.
Originally Posted by just-a-z
FAST 90/90! Do it right the first time and save yourself money and headaches down the road. You can ALWAYS go faster
Originally Posted by wickedwarlock
I've been doing allot of research here (lots of forum discussion), but still a real toss up.
I still have the EGR but I am thinking about removing it since it can't be an emisssions requirement if the 2000+ removed it. I can't see why that can't be done.
So I was thinking the non-egr ls6 intake with a 80mm bbk intake. I could do the setup for half the price of the lsx 90/90 setup.
Now I see people playing with the ls2 intake. Any thoughts on going that route?
Wow, like I said, too many damn choices now.
I am thinking of going to a cam also, something in the average range on this chart. I assume this should be ok on stock heads.
http://www.ls1howto.com/howto/fbody/...mspectrum1.jpg
Any info would be nice. This is what makes it fun, ok sometimes, too many choices, lol.
I still have the EGR but I am thinking about removing it since it can't be an emisssions requirement if the 2000+ removed it. I can't see why that can't be done.
So I was thinking the non-egr ls6 intake with a 80mm bbk intake. I could do the setup for half the price of the lsx 90/90 setup.
Now I see people playing with the ls2 intake. Any thoughts on going that route?
Wow, like I said, too many damn choices now.
I am thinking of going to a cam also, something in the average range on this chart. I assume this should be ok on stock heads.
http://www.ls1howto.com/howto/fbody/...mspectrum1.jpg
Any info would be nice. This is what makes it fun, ok sometimes, too many choices, lol.
Even though the LS2 tb/intake are 90mm units, people have actually lost power when switching from the LS6. LS6 and ported factory throttle body will give you a nice boost in HP.
Delete your EGR, and have your codes deleted from the computer, along with the AIR/rear O2 codes. This is usually cheaper than buying O2 sims alone! Any LS1 speed shop with ls1edit/HP tuners can do it. Any RESPECTABLE speed shop should charge very little for it (definatly not the price of a full tune).
MTI (Houston) deleted mine for 75$, I've never seen the SES light since then
As far as camshafts go, you will be the deciding factor in that. This depends on how "Streetable" you want the car to be. This is a very relative term. Some people think a 224 cam is pushing it for daily driver status, while others drive a T-Rex to work every day. I have the Futral F14 - 112LSA in my car and love it. Its a very popular camshaft, has a nice idle, and makes awesome power. Its a 232/234 duration with right at .600 lift.
Originally Posted by TheBlurLS1
If you buy a USED LS6 intake, you will always be able to turn around and sell it, making your money back. People in the for sale section eat those things up.
EGR was deleted in 2001, this was due to the difference in the 2001-02 camshaft having less valve overlap (larger LSA). There is only one bolt in your EGR where it bolts into the intake manifold because there was only one bolt to begin with
Even though the LS2 tb/intake are 90mm units, people have actually lost power when switching from the LS6. LS6 and ported factory throttle body will give you a nice boost in HP.
Delete your EGR, and have your codes deleted from the computer, along with the AIR/rear O2 codes. This is usually cheaper than buying O2 sims alone! Any LS1 speed shop with ls1edit/HP tuners can do it. Any RESPECTABLE speed shop should charge very little for it (definatly not the price of a full tune).
MTI (Houston) deleted mine for 75$, I've never seen the SES light since then
As far as camshafts go, you will be the deciding factor in that. This depends on how "Streetable" you want the car to be. This is a very relative term. Some people think a 224 cam is pushing it for daily driver status, while others drive a T-Rex to work every day. I have the Futral F14 - 112LSA in my car and love it. Its a very popular camshaft, has a nice idle, and makes awesome power. Its a 232/234 duration with right at .600 lift.
EGR was deleted in 2001, this was due to the difference in the 2001-02 camshaft having less valve overlap (larger LSA). There is only one bolt in your EGR where it bolts into the intake manifold because there was only one bolt to begin with
Even though the LS2 tb/intake are 90mm units, people have actually lost power when switching from the LS6. LS6 and ported factory throttle body will give you a nice boost in HP.
Delete your EGR, and have your codes deleted from the computer, along with the AIR/rear O2 codes. This is usually cheaper than buying O2 sims alone! Any LS1 speed shop with ls1edit/HP tuners can do it. Any RESPECTABLE speed shop should charge very little for it (definatly not the price of a full tune).
MTI (Houston) deleted mine for 75$, I've never seen the SES light since then
As far as camshafts go, you will be the deciding factor in that. This depends on how "Streetable" you want the car to be. This is a very relative term. Some people think a 224 cam is pushing it for daily driver status, while others drive a T-Rex to work every day. I have the Futral F14 - 112LSA in my car and love it. Its a very popular camshaft, has a nice idle, and makes awesome power. Its a 232/234 duration with right at .600 lift.
thank you for the information. I assume you went with titanium retainers? That's definetly an agressive cam. Hmmm, I like the idea, just don't want anything to break to easy. Work is 100 miles round trip
, should be changing this year when I move.That guy likes the 114LSA and mid to high 220's duration. Seems to be less radical than your setup but I like it to be agreesvive without daily driving problems. I will do some research on your setup.
Looks like another $500 bucks for an hp tuner, damn, just can't win, hehe.
Budget is only the limit for now, well, until I buy my second home, than it won't matte so right now, I can't get too carried away.Edit:almost forgot, so I could remove the egr and not have to worry about emissions, correct? Asssuming the codes get deleted.
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i would like to see the 85m BBK intake tested for 470 bucks, add another 300 for the matching TB which is 300 and another 125 or whatnot for the 85m lid and you have an complete intake system that costs what just the fast 90 costs, I would like to see the comparison.
Originally Posted by wickedwarlock
thank you for the information. I assume you went with titanium retainers? That's definetly an agressive cam. Hmmm, I like the idea, just don't want anything to break to easy. Work is 100 miles round trip , should be changing this year when I move.
That guy likes the 114LSA and mid to high 220's duration. Seems to be less radical than your setup but I like it to be agreesvive without daily driving problems. I will do some research on your setup.
Looks like another $500 bucks for an hp tuner, damn, just can't win, hehe. Budget is only the limit for now, well, until I buy my second home, than it won't matte so right now, I can't get too carried away.
Edit:almost forgot, so I could remove the egr and not have to worry about emissions, correct? Asssuming the codes get deleted.
, should be changing this year when I move.That guy likes the 114LSA and mid to high 220's duration. Seems to be less radical than your setup but I like it to be agreesvive without daily driving problems. I will do some research on your setup.
Looks like another $500 bucks for an hp tuner, damn, just can't win, hehe.
Budget is only the limit for now, well, until I buy my second home, than it won't matte so right now, I can't get too carried away.Edit:almost forgot, so I could remove the egr and not have to worry about emissions, correct? Asssuming the codes get deleted.
My cam is pretty aggressive, but i swear i think it drives like stock now. Stock to the point i wish i had gone bigger!
With my cats and exhaust run out the back, my car is a bit of a sleeper when creeping around these days.The EGR isnt going to cause you to fail emissions like removing the cats. As long as the codes are deleted, there is really no way for them to tell its gone, unless they see a blockoff plate on the exhaust, or know the particulars of LS1 cars.
Originally Posted by unfortunate5.0
Does the ls6 intake look exactly the same as the ls1 intake, iam kinda interested because winter drag racing stock class allows only one mod Im thinking headers for that one