bolton gains?
04-07-2006, 12:12 AM
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bolton gains? Just what exactly constitutes or a good bolton? 
IMO I guess it is something along the lines of subjective factors similar to budget, significant other's pull, and of course, budget.
IMO I guess it is something along the lines of subjective factors similar to budget, significant other's pull, and of course, budget. 
04-07-2006, 07:26 AM
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I'm a Michael Bolton fan, I celebrate the man's entire catalog. For my money, it doesn't get any better than when he sings "When a man loves a woman."
It would have to relate to what it offers for the price.
It would have to relate to what it offers for the price.
04-07-2006, 07:45 AM
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Just what exactly constitutes or a good bolton? IMO I guess it is something along the lines of subjective factors similar to budget, significant other's pull, and of course, budget.
IMO I guess it is something along the lines of subjective factors similar to budget, significant other's pull, and of course, budget. there are lots and lots of pretty pointless mods out there, and some quite expensive. They either offer little or no gain and can often be detrimental to performane. Research and knowledge is the key.
04-07-2006, 01:07 PM
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Ok so if I follow its logic through that would eventually lead me to believe in all actuality there isn't an objective criteria when considering small boltons, or should I say, less larger boltons. Which then draws the assumption that the mentioned criteria doesn't apply to all boltons when in fact it only applies to boltons where there is a tangible difference in track time and/or numbers. But that's where I really get lost, because here we're off in the relm of is it worth it numercially or is it worth it empherically, whereas there it seems inconclusive as to which effect it is. Am I right? Now I have to reconvene because I think I just blew my own mind! Once again!
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I'll just add that I was thinking about this the other day, and came to a conclusion. It's wiser to have a long term plan in mind, then mod, then re-evaluate, and if necessary re-re-evaluate. Otherwise there could be a mess with that the original plan was!
Now that I think about it, having the priority of a balanced setup is most pertinant, especially at this juncture, with observation, with out accounting for whether or not there would be noticeable gains in any particular area.
Now that I think about it, having the priority of a balanced setup is most pertinant, especially at this juncture, with observation, with out accounting for whether or not there would be noticeable gains in any particular area.
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04-07-2006, 06:22 PM
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Bolt ons I have the minimum bolt ons and I had my car dynoed before I did anything, after putting on an SLP lid and smooth bellows and then again after putting on a full sized Y pipe and B&B catback.
I got essentially a 4% gain across the rpm band from 2000 rpm up with the lid and bellows.
With the y pipe and B&B, I got a 2.5% gain at 2000 rpm up to 4.5% at 6000 and pretty linear.
The peak HP gain was about 20 hp and around 18 ft lb max torque increase. Peak points did not move substantially and the torque curve is essentially flat from 2000 rpms to near 6000 rpms.
All runs were on the same dyno but I avoid using absolute numbers because the individual dyno can make up to a 16% difference or more compared to other dynos and especially other types of dyno IMHO.
I got essentially a 4% gain across the rpm band from 2000 rpm up with the lid and bellows.
With the y pipe and B&B, I got a 2.5% gain at 2000 rpm up to 4.5% at 6000 and pretty linear.
The peak HP gain was about 20 hp and around 18 ft lb max torque increase. Peak points did not move substantially and the torque curve is essentially flat from 2000 rpms to near 6000 rpms.
All runs were on the same dyno but I avoid using absolute numbers because the individual dyno can make up to a 16% difference or more compared to other dynos and especially other types of dyno IMHO.
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lid
smooth bellows
ported or bigger mm mass air sensor
ported or bigger mm throttle body
new intake mani
plugs
wires
ud pulley
headers
y-pipe
cat back
gears
suspencion parts
better rubber
and a good tune
smooth bellows
ported or bigger mm mass air sensor
ported or bigger mm throttle body
new intake mani
plugs
wires
ud pulley
headers
y-pipe
cat back
gears
suspencion parts
better rubber
and a good tune
04-08-2006, 07:25 AM
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Beside being afraid to what that means in the alternate big picture, let me elaborate on my particular view; I'd like to mention what I believe is the main crux of the matter.
A bolton is good when it incorporates all the characterisitcs of a solid component. For instance, the tangible SOTP pull you might feel from upgrading your MAF and the gains you would feel floating around up top would be amplified big time when you add similar hot rod components to the picture. Therefore, in this particular case the crux of the matter is what component(s) are going to be beneficial for you to come out on top in the long run--keep that in mind. As simple as that is hyes, but as complicated as it works in real life no; there are tons of combinations that would yield better results [if you follow it through] as a whole that something as an arbitrary example of changing your mass airflow sensor and the external mods that you should see go along with it.
A bolton is good when it incorporates all the characterisitcs of a solid component. For instance, the tangible SOTP pull you might feel from upgrading your MAF and the gains you would feel floating around up top would be amplified big time when you add similar hot rod components to the picture. Therefore, in this particular case the crux of the matter is what component(s) are going to be beneficial for you to come out on top in the long run--keep that in mind. As simple as that is hyes, but as complicated as it works in real life no; there are tons of combinations that would yield better results [if you follow it through] as a whole that something as an arbitrary example of changing your mass airflow sensor and the external mods that you should see go along with it.
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Originally Posted by bad6as
lid
smooth bellows
ported or bigger mm mass air sensor
ported or bigger mm throttle body
new intake mani
plugs
wires
ud pulley
headers
y-pipe
cat back
gears
suspencion parts
better rubber
and a good tune
smooth bellows
ported or bigger mm mass air sensor
ported or bigger mm throttle body
new intake mani
plugs
wires
ud pulley
headers
y-pipe
cat back
gears
suspencion parts
better rubber
and a good tune
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The question I would then have is what do you hope to achieve, and what is left in your way. If nothing, there's no reason not to, if something, well then, I suggest re-evaluating your intentions and grouping your particular priorities. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by lsx24
Ok so if I follow its logic through that would eventually lead me to believe in all actuality there isn't an objective criteria when considering small boltons, or should I say, less larger boltons. Which then draws the assumption that the mentioned criteria doesn't apply to all boltons when in fact it only applies to boltons where there is a tangible difference in track time and/or numbers. But that's where I really get lost, because here we're off in the relm of is it worth it numercially or is it worth it empherically, whereas there it seems inconclusive as to which effect it is. Am I right? Now I have to reconvene because I think I just blew my own mind! Once again!
...seriously