Best headers for money
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by TheBlurLS1
I understand your points, and I'm glad you're helping out. It just sounds so rude sometimes (somehow)! 
There has been quite a bit of rasp threads. Maby I need to make a rasp sticky like we did for the TD's!
There has been quite a bit of rasp threads. Maby I need to make a rasp sticky like we did for the TD's!
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Jegs is your friend..
ALl Edelbrock stuff, with REAL 02 extensions included.
Quantity
Item
Price
Total
# 1 Victor Series Drag Race Headers,1998-02 Camaro/Firebird/Trans-Am LS-1
# 1-3/4'' Stepped to 1-7/8'' Primaries
# 3-1/2'' Collectors
Part Number # 350-65703
$389.99 $389.99
1
Oversize $6.99
# 3'' Diameter Competition Y-Pipe1998-02 Camaro/Firebird/Trans Am LS-1
# For Use with 350-6570 Headers
Part Number # 350-6571
$104.99 $104.99
# 1 Exhaust Cutout3'' w/Flange
Part Number # 555-30752
$24.99 $24.99
Subtotal: $519.97
Handling Charge: $10.99
Over-sized Charge: $6.99
Total Before Shipping and Tax: $537.95
ALl Edelbrock stuff, with REAL 02 extensions included.
Quantity
Item
Price
Total
# 1 Victor Series Drag Race Headers,1998-02 Camaro/Firebird/Trans-Am LS-1
# 1-3/4'' Stepped to 1-7/8'' Primaries
# 3-1/2'' Collectors
Part Number # 350-65703
$389.99 $389.99
1
Oversize $6.99
# 3'' Diameter Competition Y-Pipe1998-02 Camaro/Firebird/Trans Am LS-1
# For Use with 350-6570 Headers
Part Number # 350-6571
$104.99 $104.99
# 1 Exhaust Cutout3'' w/Flange
Part Number # 555-30752
$24.99 $24.99
Subtotal: $519.97
Handling Charge: $10.99
Over-sized Charge: $6.99
Total Before Shipping and Tax: $537.95
and with shipping and tax its more then 570
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
You cannot compare Mexican made with American made quality here..Thank you.
Thats statement was really dumb.
Originally Posted by JustAnIlluzion
and with shipping and tax its more then 570
i will go through with the transaction and copy the link...You can next day air it for quite a bit more..
The total is 537.95 if you chose the regular shipping.
VOILA!
At least one of your items is considered oversized by the carrier and will ship via ground and may have a later delivery date than other items on your order.
*Shipping: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $537.95
Originally Posted by BIG_MIKE2005
And what does it matter?? Don't get me wrong, I'm all american, but 90% of our stuff is imported & not made here anymore. We ship out most things made here. Hell I bet 50 mexicans built your house unless you did it yourself.
Thats statement was really dumb.
Thats statement was really dumb.
Our QUALITY control in the states is 100% better then what you will get in Mexico.
They get paid GOOD money to build QUALITY houses. In Mexico they work for beans and could really give two craps. Thats why they LEAVE and come here.
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Pacesetter is made in Mexico..hence the quality.
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
They probably did build my house here on AMERICAN soil.
Our QUALITY control in the states is 100% better then what you will get in Mexico.
They get paid GOOD money to build QUALITY houses. In Mexico they work for beans and could really give two craps. Thats why they LEAVE and come here.
Our QUALITY control in the states is 100% better then what you will get in Mexico.
They get paid GOOD money to build QUALITY houses. In Mexico they work for beans and could really give two craps. Thats why they LEAVE and come here.
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From: Philly
while edelbrock seems to have a nice product, pacesetters have been tried thousands of times and have proven each time better than the last. their fitment and quality for money spent is absolutely unmatched in the industry. even if it is made in mexico, it's still a fine product, you can't doubt that. and FWIW every mexican i see loves cars. when i pass mexicans on the street, they eye me up like they love it. if i had to buy outsourced headers, i'd rather buy it from a nation of people who love cars rather than, say, europe where they drive a scooter. okay there are plenty of great cars from europe, but you get what i'm saying right?
pacesetters are the pride of mexico IMO. they will be my choice when i go LT's next year unless someone else really steps it up for the same money.
i'm not knocking edelbrock, just praising pacesetter. they made a shitty header for my old 3.4L but for the LS1 they seemed to have done it right.
pacesetters are the pride of mexico IMO. they will be my choice when i go LT's next year unless someone else really steps it up for the same money.
i'm not knocking edelbrock, just praising pacesetter. they made a shitty header for my old 3.4L but for the LS1 they seemed to have done it right.
Originally Posted by BIG_MIKE2005
Ok you still have no point except makin it clear you don't like mexican, so you might as well shut up before you make yourself look like a even bigger ***.
I dont like pacesetters because I know that the quality sucks. Ever tried hooking up a set with emission fittings welded on already? Prolly not. STFU dude.
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I heard Hooker's are made in Mexico also---Edelbrock makes ALL their products in the U.S. ..and yes, stuff made in mexico is of lesser quality. and I looked at pacesetters in the shop I got my edel. and their was absolutely no doubt that edelbrock is a much more superior quality piece of work. [I am not saying pace. are made in mex.]
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
I heard Hooker's are made in Mexico also---Edelbrock makes ALL their products in the U.S. ..and yes, stuff made in mexico is of lesser quality.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
ah ah ah! never said that. his old car has a flowmaster. that'll rasp with an ORY. this new car has no exhaust listed. chances are, what he has will rasp, even with the generally less raspy systems.
does magnaflow rasp? yes i've heard it. does hooker rasp? some say yes, some say no. does the dual/dual rasp? never heard it in person with an ORY, couldn't tell you, but i generally hear no.
what i can tell you is, pretty much everything sounds better with cats with maybe the exception of true duals...but then you don't need an ORY do you?
and big mike, please don't put words in my mouth. if i say something that can be taken two ways and one way makes you angry or sound wrong, i meant the other.
does magnaflow rasp? yes i've heard it. does hooker rasp? some say yes, some say no. does the dual/dual rasp? never heard it in person with an ORY, couldn't tell you, but i generally hear no.
what i can tell you is, pretty much everything sounds better with cats with maybe the exception of true duals...but then you don't need an ORY do you?
and big mike, please don't put words in my mouth. if i say something that can be taken two ways and one way makes you angry or sound wrong, i meant the other.
You're not really gonna make me go dig it up are you? Because I will if I have to, its a slow day at work.
Regardless of what type of person you are, whether you're straightforward or beat around the bush, you need to start saying that what you state is your opinion and nothing more.
The way you come off is that you know everything about exhuast and that **** gets old.
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Are you gonna e slap more or something keyboard commando?
I dont like pacesetters because I know that the quality sucks. Ever tried hooking up a set with emission fittings welded on already? Prolly not. STFU dude.
I dont like pacesetters because I know that the quality sucks. Ever tried hooking up a set with emission fittings welded on already? Prolly not. STFU dude.
If you lived close enough I would say whatever you want right to your face. Once again your statements are all off your personal opinion of a certain product. My view is if they are so shitty why do they sell like hot cakes & everyone with them is happy, except a few with emissions tubs that broke. I have NO problems with mine, their quality, fitment, finish are all great.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
while edelbrock seems to have a nice product, pacesetters have been tried thousands of times and have proven each time better than the last. their fitment and quality for money spent is absolutely unmatched in the industry. even if it is made in mexico, it's still a fine product, you can't doubt that. and FWIW every mexican i see loves cars. when i pass mexicans on the street, they eye me up like they love it. if i had to buy outsourced headers, i'd rather buy it from a nation of people who love cars rather than, say, europe where they drive a scooter. okay there are plenty of great cars from europe, but you get what i'm saying right?
pacesetters are the pride of mexico IMO. they will be my choice when i go LT's next year unless someone else really steps it up for the same money.
i'm not knocking edelbrock, just praising pacesetter. they made a shitty header for my old 3.4L but for the LS1 they seemed to have done it right.
pacesetters are the pride of mexico IMO. they will be my choice when i go LT's next year unless someone else really steps it up for the same money.
i'm not knocking edelbrock, just praising pacesetter. they made a shitty header for my old 3.4L but for the LS1 they seemed to have done it right.
Have you guys sat and compared a good quality header collector that is formed to the PAcesetters. I can tell you havent. E-brock has got the ticket covered. they beat the Pacesetter stuff and have better quality coating and fitment then PS.
Heres Edelbrocks page..
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...petition.shtml
The headers I speak of.
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/3506570.jpg
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/3506571.jpg
The include nice T-bolt clamps as well as 2 extra 02 bungs and a reducer from 3" to 2.75" for the stock catbacks. The headers come with nice graphite gaskets. Block off plates, bolts, true 02 extensions, 02 bungs and caps, hardware to bolt on your collectors. i weld the ones I install. I beleive you can tell where Im going with this.....Edelbrock OWNS JOO!
Pacesetter gives you some u bolt clapms (crimps pipes and restricts flow) some wire to make your own extensions...JuNk....paper gaskets. YUK.
Originally Posted by BIG_MIKE2005
No I haven't done a set with emissions. I got race style & got rid of the crap I didn't need cluttering the engine bay. And I'm not a "keyboard commando" as you so put it.
If you lived close enough I would say whatever you want right to your face. Once again your statements are all off your personal opinion of a certain product. My view is if they are so shitty why do they sell like hot cakes & everyone with them is happy, except a few with emissions tubs that broke. I have NO problems with mine, their quality, fitment, finish are all great.
If you lived close enough I would say whatever you want right to your face. Once again your statements are all off your personal opinion of a certain product. My view is if they are so shitty why do they sell like hot cakes & everyone with them is happy, except a few with emissions tubs that broke. I have NO problems with mine, their quality, fitment, finish are all great.
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Dallas isnt far from Tulsa buddy.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
Refer to my Jegs shipment sheet...It beats TSP's price on Pacesetters by ~40 bucks!
Have you guys sat and compared a good quality header collector that is formed to the PAcesetters. I can tell you havent. E-brock has got the ticket covered. they beat the Pacesetter stuff and have better quality coating and fitment then PS.
Heres Edelbrocks page..
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...petition.shtml
The headers I speak of.
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/3506570.jpg
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/3506571.jpg
The include nice T-bolt clamps as well as 2 extra 02 bungs and a reducer from 3" to 2.75" for the stock catbacks. The headers come with nice graphite gaskets. Block off plates, bolts, true 02 extensions, 02 bungs and caps, hardware to bolt on your collectors. i weld the ones I install. I beleive you can tell where Im going with this.....Edelbrock OWNS JOO!
Pacesetter gives you some u bolt clapms (crimps pipes and restricts flow) some wire to make your own extensions...JuNk....paper gaskets. YUK.
Have you guys sat and compared a good quality header collector that is formed to the PAcesetters. I can tell you havent. E-brock has got the ticket covered. they beat the Pacesetter stuff and have better quality coating and fitment then PS.
Heres Edelbrocks page..
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...petition.shtml
The headers I speak of.
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/3506570.jpg
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/3506571.jpg
The include nice T-bolt clamps as well as 2 extra 02 bungs and a reducer from 3" to 2.75" for the stock catbacks. The headers come with nice graphite gaskets. Block off plates, bolts, true 02 extensions, 02 bungs and caps, hardware to bolt on your collectors. i weld the ones I install. I beleive you can tell where Im going with this.....Edelbrock OWNS JOO!
Pacesetter gives you some u bolt clapms (crimps pipes and restricts flow) some wire to make your own extensions...JuNk....paper gaskets. YUK.
also, edelbrock offers no catted-y as of yet, and as many people know, i'm not a fan of ORY's. i need to pass emissions and like the sound cats offer better. i do not have the money for a custom y either. so edelbrock for me is out.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
edelbrocks simply haven't been as proven as pacesetters. pacesetters have been around years longer. pacesetters have the best fitment. they tuck up better. they perform about the same. i'd rather have the ground clearance pacesetter offers. i don't know what the clearance of edelbrocks are, but from the pictures i've seen, they look less than pacesetters. casting isn't the only reason people buy pacesetters. they have the whol package: quality, performance, fit and ease of install. does edelbrock? they haven't been around long enough to see horror stories.
You have sponsors that sale non-quality parts/exhaust that push them and have all their nut huggers behind them. Thats why pacesetter sales so well.
Not because people are actually educated and can make their own choices and opinions on what actually is GOOD quality vs what they are told. Thats why people buy soo much junk these days.
If you are after cats, you are in the wrong modding era. Most peolpe after performance could give two ***** about cats. Hence why they order off road setups..
If you have cats on your car does it still have all the functional emission equipement as well??????? Air pump, EGR etc....
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by 1936FordPU
E-brocks just came out with these in 2004.
You have sponsors that sale non-quality parts/exhaust that push them and have all their nut huggers behind them. Thats why pacesetter sales so well.
Not because people are actually educated and can make their own choices and opinions on what actually is GOOD quality vs what they are told. Thats why people buy soo much junk these days.
If you are after cats, you are in the wrong modding era. Most peolpe after performance could give two ***** about cats. Hence why they order off road setups..
If you have cats on your car does it still have all the functional emission equipement as well??????? Air pump, EGR etc....
You have sponsors that sale non-quality parts/exhaust that push them and have all their nut huggers behind them. Thats why pacesetter sales so well.
Not because people are actually educated and can make their own choices and opinions on what actually is GOOD quality vs what they are told. Thats why people buy soo much junk these days.
If you are after cats, you are in the wrong modding era. Most peolpe after performance could give two ***** about cats. Hence why they order off road setups..
If you have cats on your car does it still have all the functional emission equipement as well??????? Air pump, EGR etc....
make me a catted-y and maybe i'll consider edelbrock. til that day...
lol i am in the WRONG MODDING ERA for worrying about cats?! hahaha! emissions are stricter than EVER! you are in the wrong modding era. go back to the 60's where there were no emissions/inspection. i have to pass because i live in today. if you wanna pay off some shop guy to pass you or put your stock equipment back on every 2 years to keep your car legal, go ahead. you and your 1936 ford can go back to last century where you belong. emissions and clean air laws are today's modding era, not ORY's. how do you think they get away selling catted-y's for 200 dollars more?