Installed XS longtubes today..........
#21
Originally Posted by BLK02TA
And the reason you'd only buy QTP's or ARH is?????
#22
Originally Posted by Tainted
I think the XS are jsut as good as kooks and all them. you wont ever be able to debate it to me that they arent. bang for the buck mod, I'll always say XS headers just like I have from day 1
#24
Originally Posted by INMY01TA
I know a couple people with QTPs and they hate the QTP y pipe.
as far as headers go, you get the most bang for your buck with QTP's with ARH coming in a close second. if i were going for a y-pipe setup, i would have gone ARH, but i'm not, so QTP got my dollar.
#25
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
merge collectors and the velocity spike. i guarantee you'll see better gains with QTP's and ARH's than with the XS. i also feel much better buying from a company like QTP and ARH since you're buying those headers from the company directly so you can fall on them if there's a problem with the product. if there's a problem with the XS header, i have no idea what you'd do. i know nothing about that company and i've seen no info about that company posted. i imagine it would be a much bigger headache with whatever company they are than with QTP and ARH if there's a problem.
i think these headers are amazing steal for 600 with a stainless y pipe...considering he payed around 1100 shipped and they still both didn't fit...every company has there problems though it is how they deal with their customer that counts...
the only reason i have my qtps is because i got them for 400 shipped...otherwise i would have bought these...
#26
I'll be honest and say that after seeing Kook's in person, vs. my XS ... the only reason I'd ever go with a bigger brand like QTP or Kooks or even ARH is if I ever need a 1 7/8" or 2" primary size on my headers.... but for a car that will likely only either see heads/cam and no nitrous, or a forged internal at stock bore with a heavy shot of nitrous, 1 3/4" is pretty much all I'll need for a long while... and in comparing the headers of all 3 or 4 brands, I'll stick with the XS... sure, I don't get a customer service rep to talk to, but the quality of the XS is near identical to the kooks I've experienced, and were far easier to install than said kooks.
sure, the Y-pipe sucks, but who really buys a Y pipe to flow great?
sure, the Y-pipe sucks, but who really buys a Y pipe to flow great?
#28
Originally Posted by chrs1313
fall back on the company huh...well my friend just got your all mighty qtp HVMC headers and after install they were not close to but actually sitting on the passenger side K member, and his ORY from them was 2 5/8 inches off the ground...when he showed them 32 pictures they were giving him the run around and not wanting to help him...and the y pipe was install by a shop too...
i think these headers are amazing steal for 600 with a stainless y pipe...considering he payed around 1100 shipped and they still both didn't fit...every company has there problems though it is how they deal with their customer that counts...
the only reason i have my qtps is because i got them for 400 shipped...otherwise i would have bought these...
i think these headers are amazing steal for 600 with a stainless y pipe...considering he payed around 1100 shipped and they still both didn't fit...every company has there problems though it is how they deal with their customer that counts...
the only reason i have my qtps is because i got them for 400 shipped...otherwise i would have bought these...
every company is going to give you a run-around before they send you a new set of $800 headers. i don't know if you've ever called up tech support before for a computer - they'll ask you if the computer is plugged in, is it hooked up right, etc...because most people that call up are IDIOTS. dell isn't going to go out and send you a brand new computer without making sure you have it hooked up properly. do you expect QTP to send your friend a new set of $800 headers before they make sure they were installed 100% properly? think about that a little bit. if you can't see things in the eyes of QTP, you'd make a terrible businessman and your company would likely go under. you have to understand that the average consumer is an idiot - not saying your buddy is, but a lot of joe shmoe's that attempt headers have no idea what they're doing.
QTP's y-pipe is known for crappy clearance. that's the price you pay when you buy a prefabricated y-pipe - you buy one that isn't designed for your car. it's designed for the "ideal" f-body, whatever that is. it's a shame your buddy got a car that was off on its design.
how many miles are on your buddy's car? are they the stock motor mounts? most people with a lot of years/miles on their car have a problem with header installs because the mounts are so saggy, the engine is hanging a lot lower than when the car was new. this would account for the headers touching the crossmember. if your buddy got new motor mounts, i bet he'd have a lot more crossmember clearance.
#29
Originally Posted by Demon Of Dreams
who really buys a Y pipe to flow great?
i know i buy my y-pipes to choke my engine as much as possible. my God, i hate horsepower
i hope that was sarcasm. if it went over my head, sorry. i've been having trouble detecting sarcasm lately.
#30
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
oh boy...sums up that post
i know i buy my y-pipes to choke my engine as much as possible. my God, i hate horsepower
i hope that was sarcasm. if it went over my head, sorry. i've been having trouble detecting sarcasm lately.
i know i buy my y-pipes to choke my engine as much as possible. my God, i hate horsepower
i hope that was sarcasm. if it went over my head, sorry. i've been having trouble detecting sarcasm lately.
I'm ok with my shitty Y pipe for the time being because it was cheap... but when it comes down to it, I won't ever run true duals, and will have a custom pipe made to my measurements and specifications ... it'll cost much more, and a good merge on a Y pipe is hard to find even with custom work.
so no, it wasn't sarcasm when I said that... it's a largely debated thing to run a y-pipe that flows well ...
#31
Originally Posted by Demon Of Dreams
well, to be pretty blunt... the only Y-pipes that flow well are ones that are custom fabbed to do just that, the pre-made jig style that we get from most companies aren't that great, 3" or not, they just have flaws that can't easilly be fixed for a cheap Y pipe...
I'm ok with my shitty Y pipe for the time being because it was cheap... but when it comes down to it, I won't ever run true duals, and will have a custom pipe made to my measurements and specifications ... it'll cost much more, and a good merge on a Y pipe is hard to find even with custom work.
so no, it wasn't sarcasm when I said that... it's a largely debated thing to run a y-pipe that flows well ...
I'm ok with my shitty Y pipe for the time being because it was cheap... but when it comes down to it, I won't ever run true duals, and will have a custom pipe made to my measurements and specifications ... it'll cost much more, and a good merge on a Y pipe is hard to find even with custom work.
so no, it wasn't sarcasm when I said that... it's a largely debated thing to run a y-pipe that flows well ...
#32
car has 40k miles on it...and he already put a k member in to fix the problem...the point was that everyone has problems so if these headers happen to hit the k member people need to know that qtps still do too...they are good headers for around half the price...
#33
Choco, if you dislike the XS stuff so much, why are you STILL debating it? They work just as well as any other header and are 1/2 the price. That is fact. The little bit of stuff in the Y isnt going to hurt power. Id almost put my money on it if someone did a before and after dyno.
#35
Originally Posted by Country Boy
Choco, if you dislike the XS stuff so much, why are you STILL debating it? They work just as well as any other header and are 1/2 the price. That is fact. The little bit of stuff in the Y isnt going to hurt power. Id almost put my money on it if someone did a before and after dyno.
#37
which vendor actually sells the xs longtube headers, i just did a quick look on ebay, and didn't see them. I saw 1 set of cheap stainless steel headers but they did not list them as xs long tubes. Im going to order headers this week, and was going to get the ceramic coated pacesetters, but might get the xs stainless headers instead now. The car is going to have a texas speed 3 inch true dual, will the xs longtubes still bolt right up to the texas td exhuast? thanks, Chris
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Update!!!
I messed around with it today. put it back on the drive on lift and just looked at it for a good minute, then i loosened the y-pipe bolts back up and pulled down on the drivers side of it, then i wedged some stuff in between it and the floorpan, then tightened the clamps back up and pulled the wedge back out and wham i had about a inch between the floor and the y-pipe,so i'm happy with that,got that hot exhaust away from those fuel lines that are there so thats good. I also readjusted the cat-back and messed with the tips a bit and now its nice and straight so NOW i'm a fully satisfied XS customer!
#39
Originally Posted by Sideways240sx
which vendor actually sells the xs longtube headers
https://ls1tech.com/forums/sponsor-group-purchases/732803-polished-stainless-header-y-pipe.html
#40
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
they are having a group purchase in the "group purchase" forum. $550 shipped for headers and y-pipe. it's the last GP for these headers as of now.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732803
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732803