where do i get o2 sim's
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Save some money and trick the sensor http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93604 . I know a few guys who have done this on Cavaliers, Camaros, and trucks. Worked well for all of them and was a lot cheaper...
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Originally Posted by mighty mike
i need to know where to get o2 sims and what brand is good and what i have to look for
Don't bother. Just leave the stock ones in and get the codes deleted. You've got to tune around them and delete the codes either way, save the money for something else. That's what I did, works great.
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Not if they're working right. Problem is that they CAN fail or not work on install, and may have to be tuned out anyway later on down the road. Tuning them out is by far the best way, but if you don't have the means or money to do so then you can trick them like I posted earlier. Sims suck.
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Plenty of our sponsors carry them, check them out --->
Or you can find a used pair in the Parts For Sale section. They tend to go for about $40-$60 bucks.
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Craig.
Or you can find a used pair in the Parts For Sale section. They tend to go for about $40-$60 bucks.
Peace,
Craig.
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I'm not sure if a car would run right just unplugging the rear O2's without adjusting the tune for it. The reason for running sims is so that they tell the computer that everything is OK behind the cats. If you just unplug them, you'll probably burn some major fuel.
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Originally Posted by La.LS1SS
I'm not sure if a car would run right just unplugging the rear O2's without adjusting the tune for it. The reason for running sims is so that they tell the computer that everything is OK behind the cats. If you just unplug them, you'll probably burn some major fuel.
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There's a new reason to have them tuned out instead of using sims. One of the manufacturers got busted! It's a stretch but there very well could be a paper trail leading to your car if you are running their sims.
Knock, knock, it's the EPA. "Fork over those o2 sims or we'll impound your car."
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4623079&EDATE=
Knock, knock, it's the EPA. "Fork over those o2 sims or we'll impound your car."
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4623079&EDATE=
Federal Settlement Targets Illegal Emission Control 'Defeat Devices' Sold for Autos
Company Will Pay Penalties and Recall Devices
WASHINGTON, July 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Department of
Justice and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today a
landmark settlement requiring Casper's Electronics, of Mundelein, Ill., to
pay a penalty and stop selling devices that allow cars to release excess
levels of pollution into the environment, in violation of the Clean Air Act
(CAA).
Today's settlement, the first of its kind, requires Casper's to stop
selling electronic devices -- known as oxygen sensor simulators or "O2
Sims" -- recall the devices, and pay more than $74,000 in civil penalties
to the United States. An O2 Sim tricks an automobile engine's computer into
sensing a properly functioning emission control system, even when the
catalytic converter is missing or faulty. These "after-market" sensors are
considered illegal "defeat devices" under the federal CAA.
Casper's has sold approximately 44,000 defeat devices through retailers
and from its Web site since 2001. The EPA estimates that the increased
emissions from installation of these devices over the life of the vehicles
are 7,400 tons of hydrocarbons, 347,000 tons of carbon monoxide, and 6,000
tons of nitrogen oxides. This is equivalent to the emissions produced by a
half-million cars with fully operational emission control systems over
their lifetimes.
"Emission control defeat devices, like those used here, risk harming
human health and the environment by allowing huge increases in pollutants
from motor vehicles," said Ronald J. Tenpas, Acting Assistant Attorney
General for the Justice Department's Environment and Natural Resources
Division. "The Justice Department will continue to vigorously enforce all
of the provisions of the Clean Air Act -- including its rule against these
devices -- against violators, including those using the Internet to
illegally sell their wares."
"Reliable and effective automobile pollution control systems are
essential to protect human health and the environment from harmful
automobile emissions," said Granta Nakayama, the EPA's Assistant
Administrator for enforcement and compliance assurance. "Casper's sale of
the oxygen sensor simulator defeat devices over a multi-year period is a
serious violation because it facilitated the removal or malfunctioning of
motor vehicle catalytic converters, which are the primary emission controls
devices to prevent excessive pollution from cars and trucks."
An oxygen sensor simulator sends a false electronic signal to the car's
engine control computer, preventing the "check engine" or "malfunction
indicator" light from illuminating. The malfunction light, part of a
vehicle's on-board diagnostic (OBD) system, alerts the driver when there is
a problem with the emission control system.
Casper's O2 Sims allowed vehicle owners to remove or disable the
catalytic converter without the OBD system detecting the problem and
turning on the check engine light. The CAA prohibits the manufacture and
sale of any devices, such as Casper's O2 Sims, that bypass or defeat
required pollution control equipment on motor vehicles. Cars and trucks
with defeat devices can emit up to 50 times the amount of harmful pollution
emitted by vehicles with properly functioning emission controls.
The EPA is currently investigating other automobile parts manufacturers
and sellers that may also be making and selling similar products. EPA has
found that some companies are advertising O2 Sims and other defeat devices
as a way to enhance a car's performance. In addition, some companies
include in their advertisements a claim that the devices are for "off-road
use only", despite clearly marketing the devices for on-road vehicles.
Air emissions from cars include harmful pollutants such as non-methane
hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen, key ingredients in the production of
ozone, a major component of urban smog. Tailpipe emissions also include
carbon monoxide, which impairs breathing. Both ozone and carbon monoxide
are especially harmful to children, people with asthma and the elderly.
The recall required by the settlement requires Casper's to implement a
mandatory repurchase program under which it must notify its customers that
Casper's will buy back any O2 Sims sold by Casper's or its distributors,
and create and implement a reporting system to ensure future compliance.
Both the complaint and the consent decree were filed today in the U.S.
District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division.
The consent decree is subject to a 30-day public comment period and
subsequent court approval, and is available for viewing at the Justice
Department Web site http://usdoj.gov/enrd/Consent_Decrees.html.
Company Will Pay Penalties and Recall Devices
WASHINGTON, July 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Department of
Justice and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced today a
landmark settlement requiring Casper's Electronics, of Mundelein, Ill., to
pay a penalty and stop selling devices that allow cars to release excess
levels of pollution into the environment, in violation of the Clean Air Act
(CAA).
Today's settlement, the first of its kind, requires Casper's to stop
selling electronic devices -- known as oxygen sensor simulators or "O2
Sims" -- recall the devices, and pay more than $74,000 in civil penalties
to the United States. An O2 Sim tricks an automobile engine's computer into
sensing a properly functioning emission control system, even when the
catalytic converter is missing or faulty. These "after-market" sensors are
considered illegal "defeat devices" under the federal CAA.
Casper's has sold approximately 44,000 defeat devices through retailers
and from its Web site since 2001. The EPA estimates that the increased
emissions from installation of these devices over the life of the vehicles
are 7,400 tons of hydrocarbons, 347,000 tons of carbon monoxide, and 6,000
tons of nitrogen oxides. This is equivalent to the emissions produced by a
half-million cars with fully operational emission control systems over
their lifetimes.
"Emission control defeat devices, like those used here, risk harming
human health and the environment by allowing huge increases in pollutants
from motor vehicles," said Ronald J. Tenpas, Acting Assistant Attorney
General for the Justice Department's Environment and Natural Resources
Division. "The Justice Department will continue to vigorously enforce all
of the provisions of the Clean Air Act -- including its rule against these
devices -- against violators, including those using the Internet to
illegally sell their wares."
"Reliable and effective automobile pollution control systems are
essential to protect human health and the environment from harmful
automobile emissions," said Granta Nakayama, the EPA's Assistant
Administrator for enforcement and compliance assurance. "Casper's sale of
the oxygen sensor simulator defeat devices over a multi-year period is a
serious violation because it facilitated the removal or malfunctioning of
motor vehicle catalytic converters, which are the primary emission controls
devices to prevent excessive pollution from cars and trucks."
An oxygen sensor simulator sends a false electronic signal to the car's
engine control computer, preventing the "check engine" or "malfunction
indicator" light from illuminating. The malfunction light, part of a
vehicle's on-board diagnostic (OBD) system, alerts the driver when there is
a problem with the emission control system.
Casper's O2 Sims allowed vehicle owners to remove or disable the
catalytic converter without the OBD system detecting the problem and
turning on the check engine light. The CAA prohibits the manufacture and
sale of any devices, such as Casper's O2 Sims, that bypass or defeat
required pollution control equipment on motor vehicles. Cars and trucks
with defeat devices can emit up to 50 times the amount of harmful pollution
emitted by vehicles with properly functioning emission controls.
The EPA is currently investigating other automobile parts manufacturers
and sellers that may also be making and selling similar products. EPA has
found that some companies are advertising O2 Sims and other defeat devices
as a way to enhance a car's performance. In addition, some companies
include in their advertisements a claim that the devices are for "off-road
use only", despite clearly marketing the devices for on-road vehicles.
Air emissions from cars include harmful pollutants such as non-methane
hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen, key ingredients in the production of
ozone, a major component of urban smog. Tailpipe emissions also include
carbon monoxide, which impairs breathing. Both ozone and carbon monoxide
are especially harmful to children, people with asthma and the elderly.
The recall required by the settlement requires Casper's to implement a
mandatory repurchase program under which it must notify its customers that
Casper's will buy back any O2 Sims sold by Casper's or its distributors,
and create and implement a reporting system to ensure future compliance.
Both the complaint and the consent decree were filed today in the U.S.
District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division.
The consent decree is subject to a 30-day public comment period and
subsequent court approval, and is available for viewing at the Justice
Department Web site http://usdoj.gov/enrd/Consent_Decrees.html.
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well i have tryed a few places and i finaly got some one to tell me casper discontinued them. so i guess i am going to have to tune them out what would be a good price and what else would be good to do with the tune out.