No more 02 simms, EPA gets Casper's Electronics!
No more 02 simms, EPA gets Casper's Electronics! We stopped carrying 02 simms awhile ago. Looks like the EPA got to Casper's -
http://www.fquick.com/blog/Caspers_E...led_by_the_EPA
http://www.fquick.com/blog/Caspers_E...led_by_the_EPA
Since when did the EPA start using RIAA tactics?
"Let's just pick a random company that is producing 'gray area' products and screw them over; maybe that will get the message across to the other million producers."
Sigh.....
"Let's just pick a random company that is producing 'gray area' products and screw them over; maybe that will get the message across to the other million producers."
Sigh.....
HA... lame.. i think their next target is going to be aftermarket computer software that allows you to "turn off" emissions control sensors... such as HP tuners.. EFI Live.. and so forth.. it may not happen soon.. but they went after Caspers.. it wont be long before they figure out about the aftermarket tuning world..
Originally Posted by fuseone
i dont think they will go after tuning software.
why not? technically if you turn off the reporting info for emissions in HP tuners.. its basically the same as using an O2 sim.. except this not only turns off the O2's but also the AIR and EGR (for 98-00 cars)... why would they NOT go after them? i could see them getting an order for the makers of tuning software to no longer make the emissions tables accessable... thats totally feasable...
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I hate govt. agencies that do stupid **** like this just to make more money... kinda like the speed camera's here in Phoenix... 
Last edited by Soul TKR; Jul 17, 2007 at 01:37 PM.
Originally Posted by GR33N GoblinM6
HA... lame.. i think their next target is going to be aftermarket computer software that allows you to "turn off" emissions control sensors... such as HP tuners.. EFI Live.. and so forth.. it may not happen soon.. but they went after Caspers.. it wont be long before they figure out about the aftermarket tuning world..
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Originally Posted by fuseone
i dont think they will go after tuning software.
Tuning world will be a different landscape in the not too distant future. The concept of 'off-road use only' is going to drastically change and the number of parts/options available to us will become much more restricted.
I dont see them going after tuning software for that reason. The O2 simms ONLY function was to defeat pollution control devices. Tuning software can do that, but thats not its only use.
If you want the full details you need to read the DoJ PDF - I posted a link here:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....60&postcount=5
Casper's wasn't found "guilty" of anything. They agreed to a settlement. They are sending / have sent a letter to customers stating that they did not agree with the government's decision, but for financial reasons, are not fighting it. "Off Road Only" use or not, the gov't came after them, and they chose to settle (likely a wise move).
The actual numbers aren't too bad. They pay the gov't $20k now, and then $20k/yr for 3 years. In addition, they will buy back O2 simms. I wonder how many they'll actually buy back? I doubt it will even be 10% of the number that they sold.
At least Caspers can stay in business with these terms. A true lawsuit would have been a lot more financially and emotionally draining on them.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....60&postcount=5
Casper's wasn't found "guilty" of anything. They agreed to a settlement. They are sending / have sent a letter to customers stating that they did not agree with the government's decision, but for financial reasons, are not fighting it. "Off Road Only" use or not, the gov't came after them, and they chose to settle (likely a wise move).
The actual numbers aren't too bad. They pay the gov't $20k now, and then $20k/yr for 3 years. In addition, they will buy back O2 simms. I wonder how many they'll actually buy back? I doubt it will even be 10% of the number that they sold.
At least Caspers can stay in business with these terms. A true lawsuit would have been a lot more financially and emotionally draining on them.
I think its funny that our weekend, sunny day driven cars are the ones they chose to go after. Let's blind ourselves to the literally MILLIONS of semi's on the road, getting 8 MPG, belching black smoke, not to mention engine braking through neighborhoods at 2 AM (I believe the govt. calls this noise pollution)....
so I guess what it boils down to....I hate to say, LS1tech.com is responsible for all of the pollution in the entire universe!!!!! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
so I guess what it boils down to....I hate to say, LS1tech.com is responsible for all of the pollution in the entire universe!!!!! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
Originally Posted by turbowhistle86
I think its funny that our weekend, sunny day driven cars are the ones they chose to go after. Let's blind ourselves to the literally MILLIONS of semi's on the road, getting 8 MPG, belching black smoke, not to mention engine braking through neighborhoods at 2 AM (I believe the govt. calls this noise pollution)....
so I guess what it boils down to....I hate to say, LS1tech.com is responsible for all of the pollution in the entire universe!!!!! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
so I guess what it boils down to....I hate to say, LS1tech.com is responsible for all of the pollution in the entire universe!!!!! DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
The EPA goes after a small company that barely affects the amount of pollution added, but allows large corporations to sell pollution credits to other companies that are polluting way beyond what they are allowed to. 
because you silly people...
big rigs are generally owned by MAJOR.. and i mean MAJOR companies.. shipping companies.. major factories, construction companies, ect who have lobbyists on their side, lining the pockets of certain congressman to not go after them, and keep business as usual...
the car enthusiests aftermarket doesnt have that kind of power,money, or influence with congressional lawmakers.. so.. they go after who they can...
i mean think about it... if the EPA shut down big rig diesel trucks.. the american economy would be in absolute chaos. every commodity we use is shipped by big polluting trucks..
need to find an alternate source of fueling for these trucks before you can go after them and shut them down..
big rigs are generally owned by MAJOR.. and i mean MAJOR companies.. shipping companies.. major factories, construction companies, ect who have lobbyists on their side, lining the pockets of certain congressman to not go after them, and keep business as usual...
the car enthusiests aftermarket doesnt have that kind of power,money, or influence with congressional lawmakers.. so.. they go after who they can...
i mean think about it... if the EPA shut down big rig diesel trucks.. the american economy would be in absolute chaos. every commodity we use is shipped by big polluting trucks..
need to find an alternate source of fueling for these trucks before you can go after them and shut them down..