MrElectric03

iTrader: (71)

Okay...about to do a H/C swap on my WS6 M6.

I want Long Tubes at the same time because I am tiredd of my edelbrock shortys blowing the gaskets and they will not flow enough for a H/C swap.I would prefer 1 3/4 headers into about a 3" collector.I have an SLP Y that I will either make work or fab my own as I am a half decent welder.

I see good prices on Hooker Coated Headers($384) and Pacesetters($395).
Car is lowered so ground clearence is an issue. I would really like Kooks but cant afford them unless anyone has a decent used set.

Just looking for some opinions guys...what do you have or seen that has good ground clearence, good flow, good looks, and quality. Thanks I really appreciate it!

c0ncEpT

iTrader: (4)

I run Pacesetters and have nothing but a good experience with them.

MrElectric03

iTrader: (71)

Thats what I am thinking right now...heard many good things, thanks for the input!

RobbieTransAm

iTrader: (4)

+1 for Pacesetters

WhiteFormula98

iTrader: (10)

+2 for Pacesetters

TXZ28LS1

iTrader: (5)

PACESETTERS FTW!!!! im glad i went with them. fit was good, nice quality, and good performing header.

Silver35thZ

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+1 for pacesetter

MrElectric03

iTrader: (71)

Any others...or maybe the best price on pacesetters since just about everyone agrees?

trans am 98

iTrader: (10)

easy choice pacesetters got mine a while ago an still love them

ChocoTaco369

I wouldn't even consider getting mild steel headers like Pacesetters. Stainless steel is the only way to go. It's pointless to try and save money on headers, getting mild steel then having to replace them a few years down the road. You wind up paying more money for more of a headache in the long run if you want to keep your car.

If you're really strapped for cash, go for the XS headers. They're stainless and only around $50 more than Pacesetters. I can't believe that people still buy Pacesetters when you can get a stainless steel header for nearly the same exact price. Don't make the mistake of paying nearly the same money for a Made in Mexico mild steel header that'll eventually rust through like Pacesetters when you can get primo stainless and still save $$$ over other brands.

streetassasin

iTrader: (30)

x2 on the xs, I believe they are called LPP headers now

Ryne @ CMS

iTrader: (10)

also dont forget the edelbrock victor long tubes, nice merge collector

ChocoTaco369

That's true, I also believe the Edelbrocks are a much better deal than Pacesetters.





The Edelbrocks make the Pacesetters look like toys. The Edelbrocks are hardly any more money than Pacesetters, and there is no doubt that the Edelbrocks will outperform the Pacesetters, too.

Pacesetters get great reviews on this site because they've been out for a long, long time, so lots of people have them. When people vote for headers, they do not usually vote for what is best, they vote for what they have, and since years ago, Pacesetters were the only budget header, tons of people have them. Pacesetters are not popular because they are the biggest bang for the buck header, and they are not the best choice by any means. For roughly the same price, you can pick from a nice coated longtube with HVMC's like Edelbrocks or stainless steel headers like the XS/LPP headers.

It may have been a good idea to get Pacesetters 2 years ago, but nowadays, it's ridiculous to even consider them.

b0pric01

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well ****, i just bought some like 5 days ago. the xs's sound like kindof a good deal now but every time i went to that stupid lpp site it didnt work and it had that gay *** dragon on it making noises.

RedRocketZ28

iTrader: (19)

For the tri-tech finish Edelbrocks it is $540 for just the headers. I paid $500 shipped for my PS's and ORY. Do the $445 Edelbrocks, which are the cheapest ones, come with any sort of coating? If not, the Pacesetter's are still a better deal than the Edelbrocks. All LT's will produce close to the same HP. It has been said over and over again in numerous threads. I am not going to complain about missing out on a few hp.

Slvr00Bird

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If you have the money then go Stainless... It will last forever and is just a better quality... However, a lot of us would like to put money else where, hence Pacesetter...

Now back to the original topic... I run Pacesetter and haven't had any problems yet. They sound good and have great clearance.

You also may want to consider throwing a cut-out into the mix to get the best flow out of everything and sound mean as hell, but also to be able to cap it and go on a nice, quiet drive.. I've got an electric RaceReady out before the muffler and I love the thing..

getusumws6

iTrader: (9)

stainless ftw. i bought pacesetters, dont have a performance prob with them but they did start rusting on the bottom half towards the collector after a year(from condensation) and they are "coated". good budget header though.

BigKap94z

iTrader: (47)

I run the Edelbrock LT's. The Ti-tech coating IMO is not as good as the ceramic coating on the Pacesetters or Hookers. I honestly don't mind, and every few months I take some grey hi-temp paint to touch up the collectors to keep them from rusting. These headers are better in every way then Pacesetters EXCEPT for the coating. The ORY is also cheaper, larger and has a very good merge.

ChocoTaco369

The $445 ones are the ti-tech coated Edelbrocks. For $540, you're probably getting ceramic coating.

All longtubes do not dyno close to the same. That's a myth.

Here's a graph of QTP's vs. Pacesetters. It's just a longtube swap, nothing else:


https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/700678-results-qtp-hvmc-vs-pacesetters.html

That's a 9rwhp/7rwtq gain peak, and an ~18rwhp/31rwtq gain at ~3100rpms. That's just from a longtube swap. Edelbrocks should do the same vs. the Pacesetters because the Edelbrocks also have HVMC's, have longer primaries and keep the firing order of the engine in mind.

99DWPTA

iTrader: (10)

Good information!!