DYNO results - MACs to ARH 1 7/8 headers
04-15-2008, 11:59 AM
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I think that you definitely made the right choice. When my 10-bolt broke, I bought a 9" to replace it. Is it overkill for my car right now? Yes. Did I lose power by putting the 9" on? Yes. However, it would be stupid to put the another 10-bolt in just because it fits my needs as of now. You build the car towards a specific goal and its stupid to buy parts that dont help you arrive at your goal for the car.
Now on a side note to the OP. . . . do you have any sound clips of your car? I really want to hear the SLP dual/dual with headers. I would appreciate hearing both with the macs and with the new ARH if you have clips of both. Thanks in advance
Now on a side note to the OP. . . . do you have any sound clips of your car? I really want to hear the SLP dual/dual with headers. I would appreciate hearing both with the macs and with the new ARH if you have clips of both. Thanks in advance
04-15-2008, 02:19 PM
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I think that you definitely made the right choice. When my 10-bolt broke, I bought a 9" to replace it. Is it overkill for my car right now? Yes. Did I lose power by putting the 9" on? Yes. However, it would be stupid to put the another 10-bolt in just because it fits my needs as of now. You build the car towards a specific goal and its stupid to buy parts that dont help you arrive at your goal for the car.
04-15-2008, 03:57 PM
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I wouldn't trade my car for yours if I got the chance. No chance in hell. If I wanted a H/C package, I'd buy a H/C package. If I wanted a blower, I'd buy a blower. I could easily afford it. I just have no interest pissing away my money on something useless I don't need. It if makes you feel more important, by all means, spend your money on it. I never had any issues or anything growing up, so I really don't feel inadequate. I'm content with what I have.
04-15-2008, 04:48 PM
#105
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Okay, buddy 
Enjoy the e-speed.
04-15-2008, 06:13 PM
#106
I think that you definitely made the right choice. When my 10-bolt broke, I bought a 9" to replace it. Is it overkill for my car right now? Yes. Did I lose power by putting the 9" on? Yes. However, it would be stupid to put the another 10-bolt in just because it fits my needs as of now. You build the car towards a specific goal and its stupid to buy parts that dont help you arrive at your goal for the car.
Now on a side note to the OP. . . . do you have any sound clips of your car? I really want to hear the SLP dual/dual with headers. I would appreciate hearing both with the macs and with the new ARH if you have clips of both. Thanks in advance
Now on a side note to the OP. . . . do you have any sound clips of your car? I really want to hear the SLP dual/dual with headers. I would appreciate hearing both with the macs and with the new ARH if you have clips of both. Thanks in advance
And you should try the !troll mod:
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Works great! Tremendous SOTP improvement! I may have even picked up a couple of ft-lbs by jettisoning the dead weight!
04-15-2008, 06:31 PM
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[QUOTE=ChocoTaco369;9141939] the ARH's just don't make the power that other longtubes do. I'd feel way better with a Kooks or QTP longtube from what I've seen.
Choco, You are an incredibily ignorant individual that knows nothing about AR Headers. You clearly have an agenda that's very apparent to all here, and that's bashing ARH every opportunity you get. I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly do it but it's getting old. Stop the BS because when you finally come to your senses and maybe even afford ARH's, I won't sell you a set.
Nick
Choco, You are an incredibily ignorant individual that knows nothing about AR Headers. You clearly have an agenda that's very apparent to all here, and that's bashing ARH every opportunity you get. I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly do it but it's getting old. Stop the BS because when you finally come to your senses and maybe even afford ARH's, I won't sell you a set.
Nick
04-15-2008, 06:44 PM
#108
[QUOTE=A. R. HEADERS;9162958] Nick, I LOVE your product - well worth the premium price. However, please don't dilute the effectiveness of my !troll mod by quoting! 
More importantly, I hope my experience helps you sell more headers by indicating clearly that the big tubes, while maybe not optimal, still provide gains even on a stock long block with no cost at all. That should expand the market for these headers to those looking to go big later. However, the big primaries and stock k-member necessitated poly motor mounts on my car to quell the rubbing when the engine torqued. Overall, I am very happy with my decision and expect to get more out of my power mods down the line.
IMHO your product and Kooks are the only ones worth buying. Make sure you have product for the G8 and new CTS-V as one of those two is on my radar in the next year.
the ARH's just don't make the power that other longtubes do. I'd feel way better with a Kooks or QTP longtube from what I've seen.
Choco, You are an incredibily ignorant individual that knows nothing about AR Headers. You clearly have an agenda that's very apparent to all here, and that's bashing ARH every opportunity you get. I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly do it but it's getting old. Stop the BS because when you finally come to your senses and maybe even afford ARH's, I won't sell you a set.
Nick
Choco, You are an incredibily ignorant individual that knows nothing about AR Headers. You clearly have an agenda that's very apparent to all here, and that's bashing ARH every opportunity you get. I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly do it but it's getting old. Stop the BS because when you finally come to your senses and maybe even afford ARH's, I won't sell you a set.
Nick
More importantly, I hope my experience helps you sell more headers by indicating clearly that the big tubes, while maybe not optimal, still provide gains even on a stock long block with no cost at all. That should expand the market for these headers to those looking to go big later. However, the big primaries and stock k-member necessitated poly motor mounts on my car to quell the rubbing when the engine torqued. Overall, I am very happy with my decision and expect to get more out of my power mods down the line.
IMHO your product and Kooks are the only ones worth buying. Make sure you have product for the G8 and new CTS-V as one of those two is on my radar in the next year.
04-15-2008, 06:45 PM
#109
I think that you definitely made the right choice. When my 10-bolt broke, I bought a 9" to replace it. Is it overkill for my car right now? Yes. Did I lose power by putting the 9" on? Yes. However, it would be stupid to put the another 10-bolt in just because it fits my needs as of now. You build the car towards a specific goal and its stupid to buy parts that dont help you arrive at your goal for the car.
Now on a side note to the OP. . . . do you have any sound clips of your car? I really want to hear the SLP dual/dual with headers. I would appreciate hearing both with the macs and with the new ARH if you have clips of both. Thanks in advance
Now on a side note to the OP. . . . do you have any sound clips of your car? I really want to hear the SLP dual/dual with headers. I would appreciate hearing both with the macs and with the new ARH if you have clips of both. Thanks in advance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz5H4d61hv8
Sorry, V1 is LOUD!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5xGZKRTWs
I'll see what I can do to improve on those clips going forward.
It IS quiet, that is what I wanted. I don't feel like I am leaving too much on the table though, without going true duals. It is deeper and quieter than the MACs and ORY (same catback). It sounds kind of refined, for what it is. Zero drone, subtle but still aggressive. This setup is not for those who want obnoxiously loud. I fly low often and don't need to attract any more attention than a red camaro already does. It does allow decent power though.
04-15-2008, 07:32 PM
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Sorry, windy today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz5H4d61hv8
Sorry, V1 is LOUD!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5xGZKRTWs
I'll see what I can do to improve on those clips going forward.
It IS quiet, that is what I wanted. I don't feel like I am leaving too much on the table though, without going true duals. It is deeper and quieter than the MACs and ORY (same catback). It sounds kind of refined, for what it is. Zero drone, subtle but still aggressive. This setup is not for those who want obnoxiously loud. I fly low often and don't need to attract any more attention than a red camaro already does. It does allow decent power though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz5H4d61hv8
Sorry, V1 is LOUD!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P5xGZKRTWs
I'll see what I can do to improve on those clips going forward.
It IS quiet, that is what I wanted. I don't feel like I am leaving too much on the table though, without going true duals. It is deeper and quieter than the MACs and ORY (same catback). It sounds kind of refined, for what it is. Zero drone, subtle but still aggressive. This setup is not for those who want obnoxiously loud. I fly low often and don't need to attract any more attention than a red camaro already does. It does allow decent power though.
Wow thanks for the sound clips. . . .I really didnt expect them that quickly
. That is even quiter than I thought it would be. . . .kinda cool
I just cant decide if I want to do LT and ORY or cats and a cutout
04-15-2008, 07:41 PM
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It's not quite as quiet as the video makes it out to be, the wind is fooking tough today so it overshadows the sound since it hammers the mic directly. From memory, it's a little louder than the LT1 SSs were with the 2OTL setup and similarly deep. For the fiancee the smell was an issue, for me it was the rasp, so cats were in order. The ARH ones are very nice so I doubt they cost me that much. They might have possibly contributed to the reason I didn't lose any tq/maybe picked up a couple at the flywheel, adding backpressure and all.
Definitely a stealth setup which should allow for good power down the road. Only thing I would swap for is 3" true duals but that is $$$!! I DID heavily consider it though...
04-15-2008, 07:58 PM
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Hell yeah !troll mod! I use that exact mod! works great.. sometimes I take it off but quickly I realize how much I miss the SOTP improvement and start getting headaches so I reinstall it. lol..
04-15-2008, 09:58 PM
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I wouldn't trade my car for yours if I got the chance. No chance in hell. If I wanted a H/C package, I'd buy a H/C package. If I wanted a blower, I'd buy a blower. I could easily afford it. I just have no interest pissing away my money on something useless I don't need. It if makes you feel more important, by all means, spend your money on it. I never had any issues or anything growing up, so I really don't feel inadequate. I'm content with what I have.
04-15-2008, 11:32 PM
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I recently switched from Mac mids w/cats to QTP merged LTs with a catted Y pipe. While I did not get it dyno tested before and after, I do know to get a significant increase in performance you will have to pick up 20 HP or more. The before and after difference in the car is like night and day, especially above 3500 RPM. I don't have to put it on a dyno to know I picked up power.
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04-16-2008, 03:30 AM
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the ARH's just don't make the power that other longtubes do. I'd feel way better with a Kooks or QTP longtube from what I've seen.
Choco, You are an incredibily ignorant individual that knows nothing about AR Headers. You clearly have an agenda that's very apparent to all here, and that's bashing ARH every opportunity you get. I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly do it but it's getting old. Stop the BS because when you finally come to your senses and maybe even afford ARH's, I won't sell you a set.
Nick
Choco, You are an incredibily ignorant individual that knows nothing about AR Headers. You clearly have an agenda that's very apparent to all here, and that's bashing ARH every opportunity you get. I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly do it but it's getting old. Stop the BS because when you finally come to your senses and maybe even afford ARH's, I won't sell you a set.
Nick
