When are we going to see a header shootout??
When are we going to see a header shootout?? All the magazines are doing us a grave injustice by not having a shootout.
Make up some bullets to easily adapt to any type of header out there, & strap the car up to the dyno. Or do it with the engine strapped to a dyno. Adjust the A/F after every swap, and post the results.
Give us the specs on the motor, stock, or modified. This is the kind of info I would like to see. I want to know which is the best.
Make up some bullets to easily adapt to any type of header out there, & strap the car up to the dyno. Or do it with the engine strapped to a dyno. Adjust the A/F after every swap, and post the results.
Give us the specs on the motor, stock, or modified. This is the kind of info I would like to see. I want to know which is the best.
Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? Hmm, no replies. I guess everyone is satisfied with the information that is out there.
I'm not. I'm curious if the hundreds of $$ extra spent over say the QTP, or FLP, are worth it for 2-3 HP more over say the Hooker, Pacesetter, or Eldebrock..
Everyone seems to think that the headers they have are better than any other header out there, but I dont see any track or dyno comparisons.
I'm not. I'm curious if the hundreds of $$ extra spent over say the QTP, or FLP, are worth it for 2-3 HP more over say the Hooker, Pacesetter, or Eldebrock..
Everyone seems to think that the headers they have are better than any other header out there, but I dont see any track or dyno comparisons.
Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? Why not use the standard catback? Not everyone will use the Bullitt mufflers. Slap on a Hooker catback or something to make it real world 
Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? I'd truly love to see a header shoot out. That's a great idea!
I think the MAC's should be included, BBK's new 1 3/4 shorties and a basline with manifolds just to round out the playing field.
Use a cut out, loudmouth, better yet SLP dual/dual!
I think the MAC's should be included, BBK's new 1 3/4 shorties and a basline with manifolds just to round out the playing field.
Why not use the standard catback? Not everyone will use the Bullitt mufflers. Slap on a Hooker catback or something to make it real world
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Re: When are we going to see a header shootout??
Everyone seems to think that the headers they have are better than any other header out there
Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? Would you still rather have them if you found out the Kooks only made 2-3 HP over your Hookers? I wouldn't.
The reason for the bullets, are that you could easily bolt them up to the headers. Without having to fab up an exhaust for every muffler that you are testing. The testing would be less time consuming. If the testing was done on the car, then a dyno would get rather expensive.
This shootout needs to happen. To show what header is best, for say a stock motor, and a modified.
For the record, I have Grotts, but I'm looking at the Edelbrock, and wonder what the difference, if any, would be.
The reason for the bullets, are that you could easily bolt them up to the headers. Without having to fab up an exhaust for every muffler that you are testing. The testing would be less time consuming. If the testing was done on the car, then a dyno would get rather expensive.
This shootout needs to happen. To show what header is best, for say a stock motor, and a modified.
For the record, I have Grotts, but I'm looking at the Edelbrock, and wonder what the difference, if any, would be.
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Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? I think it's a great idea too, I have had the slp's on for 2 years and would like to change to something that doesn't hang so low but would help get the most out of my stage 2 heads. Fit and finish are also a big part of the choise for me as well as performance.
Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? Good luck on getting car mag writers to do any
real work. Every article I read, but one, out
of Super Chevy, Chevy High Performance and
GMHTP is all about how they went shopping, and
watched the man bolt it on. And here's what it
"should be good for" on the dyno according to
what's written on the box.
8 header swaps at 4 hours a pop (figure a lift
and experience) is like over $2000 in shop rates
and $5000 in parts. You think those magazine types
are gonna cough it up? Hah. And that doesn't even
count the dyno / tuner time needed to do it right.
And you might get a manufacturer to slide you a
set of headers if you were going to put them up
solo against stock exhaust, but up against the
whole field, pick one winner? Not such good odds
of getting the article to come out like you'd
want.
Not that I'm complaining about the magazines.
I pay my buck an issue and read the ads mostly.
The articles hardly get in the way. Heh.
real work. Every article I read, but one, out
of Super Chevy, Chevy High Performance and
GMHTP is all about how they went shopping, and
watched the man bolt it on. And here's what it
"should be good for" on the dyno according to
what's written on the box.
8 header swaps at 4 hours a pop (figure a lift
and experience) is like over $2000 in shop rates
and $5000 in parts. You think those magazine types
are gonna cough it up? Hah. And that doesn't even
count the dyno / tuner time needed to do it right.
And you might get a manufacturer to slide you a
set of headers if you were going to put them up
solo against stock exhaust, but up against the
whole field, pick one winner? Not such good odds
of getting the article to come out like you'd
want.
Not that I'm complaining about the magazines.
I pay my buck an issue and read the ads mostly.
The articles hardly get in the way. Heh.
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Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? I agree. I'm gonna start this thread on 2 of my other favorite sites.
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Re: When are we going to see a header shootout??
Not me! I would rather have a set of Kooks over my Hookers, but the Hookers are better then nothing.
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Re: When are we going to see a header shootout??
Would you still rather have them if you found out the Kooks only made 2-3 HP over your Hookers? I wouldn't.
Reasons I like Kooks over Hookers: even with Jet Hot coating, they rust, I like the design of the Kooks better, Kooks can be had in stainless and with merge collectors, I can get Kooks without the emissions junk that I don't have
Re: When are we going to see a header shootout?? The mags won't favor the idea because some of their advertisers products aren't going to look too good at the end of the test. Like the man said there will only be one winner.
I hope this happens it's a great idea.
A little idle speculation to stir the pot...
MAC - will win in peak rwhp by a hair...won't have quiet as much torque or overal area under the curve.
Grott - PPC, Kook, QTP, and a few others with the Grott style. Will be best overall
Hooker - will just barely edge out the FLP's in area under the curve and be ~ equal in peak rwhp
FLP - the debate of FLP vs SLP will be settled in FLP's favor. The 2.5 Y pipe will be determined to cost a few rwhp
SLP - Will be the king of low end torque. Easily the best area under the curve under 4500rpm. Won't do as well over 5000 rpm.
BBK - new 1 3/4 primary shorties a few rwhp over JBA. Might beat the SLP's in peak rwhp. Will show a shorty LS1 header can actually be better than an exhaust manifold.
JBA - by like 1rwhp over 00+ exhaust manifolds
00+ exhaust manifolds -
Hooker & Edelbrock shorties by like 1rwhp over 98-99 manifolds and will be proven worthless for the most part.
I hope this happens it's a great idea.
A little idle speculation to stir the pot...
MAC - will win in peak rwhp by a hair...won't have quiet as much torque or overal area under the curve.
Grott - PPC, Kook, QTP, and a few others with the Grott style. Will be best overall
Hooker - will just barely edge out the FLP's in area under the curve and be ~ equal in peak rwhp
FLP - the debate of FLP vs SLP will be settled in FLP's favor. The 2.5 Y pipe will be determined to cost a few rwhp
SLP - Will be the king of low end torque. Easily the best area under the curve under 4500rpm. Won't do as well over 5000 rpm.
BBK - new 1 3/4 primary shorties a few rwhp over JBA. Might beat the SLP's in peak rwhp. Will show a shorty LS1 header can actually be better than an exhaust manifold.
JBA - by like 1rwhp over 00+ exhaust manifolds
00+ exhaust manifolds -
Hooker & Edelbrock shorties by like 1rwhp over 98-99 manifolds and will be proven worthless for the most part.
