Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam".
Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SStrokerAce:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> And does that lobe profile work with stock lifters?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">214 with .600 lift? yeah right, not for very long.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">why is this? the lifter wont keep up?
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> And does that lobe profile work with stock lifters?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">214 with .600 lift? yeah right, not for very long.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">why is this? the lifter wont keep up?
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by gator's 99TA:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SStrokerAce:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> And does that lobe profile work with stock lifters?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">214 with .600 lift? yeah right, not for very long.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">why is this? the lifter wont keep up?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because thats alot of stress on the internal plunger of the lifter, they will collapse with a ramp like that. Its almost a baby solid cam profile.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SStrokerAce:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fenris Ulf:
<strong> And does that lobe profile work with stock lifters?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">214 with .600 lift? yeah right, not for very long.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">why is this? the lifter wont keep up?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because thats alot of stress on the internal plunger of the lifter, they will collapse with a ramp like that. Its almost a baby solid cam profile.
Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". If you want to follow Patrick and go with this "old man on Viagra" cam... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> You better have a set of double springs.
Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by cantdrv65:
<strong>If you want to follow Patrick and go with this "old man on Viagra" cam... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> You better have a set of double springs.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yeah that too!
<strong>If you want to follow Patrick and go with this "old man on Viagra" cam... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> You better have a set of double springs.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yeah that too!
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". Stock lifters get a little iffy when you run the spring pressure that I do, but they seem to be holding up to them OK (25k miles on Crane 99893 double springs and stock lifters).
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Patrick G:
<strong>Stock lifters get a little iffy when you run the spring pressure that I do, but they seem to be holding up to them OK (25k miles on Crane 99893 double springs and stock lifters).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Any chance we can get a larger version of that cam on the same fast ramp?
<strong>Stock lifters get a little iffy when you run the spring pressure that I do, but they seem to be holding up to them OK (25k miles on Crane 99893 double springs and stock lifters).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Any chance we can get a larger version of that cam on the same fast ramp?
Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". The reason I say what I say with that intake lobe reguarding lifters and valve springs is that I have used a lobe indentical to it.
214 duration @ .050 and .353 lift at the lobe
It's a Comp Lobe, it's actually a really good choice.
To run a engine at 6000+rpm with that lobe you need the lifters and springs to control the valve and keep up with it.
My combo used 1.6:1 rocker arms, Hi Tech Pushrods, Comp 977 springs, and the Pro Mag lifters, all of this at the recomendation of Comp and the Engineer there. (he designed the lobes) The seat pressure on the springs was about 155 and it worked really well since the lifters and springs controlled the valve all the way up to 6900rpm!
That's why I said that.
Bret
214 duration @ .050 and .353 lift at the lobe
It's a Comp Lobe, it's actually a really good choice.
To run a engine at 6000+rpm with that lobe you need the lifters and springs to control the valve and keep up with it.
My combo used 1.6:1 rocker arms, Hi Tech Pushrods, Comp 977 springs, and the Pro Mag lifters, all of this at the recomendation of Comp and the Engineer there. (he designed the lobes) The seat pressure on the springs was about 155 and it worked really well since the lifters and springs controlled the valve all the way up to 6900rpm!
That's why I said that.
Bret
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". I love to give my two cents in this thread but almost all of it is chinese to me, I am learning though...I'll just sit on the side line until I understand. I learned alot on handling on this site. It really helps!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". Is there a version of this cam that would work well with stock heads?
Or are the heads a big part of the power equation here?
Also what would this package actually cost 'complete' and what would it include?
Or are the heads a big part of the power equation here?
Also what would this package actually cost 'complete' and what would it include?
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". This cam sounds REAL nice, exactly what i'm looking for but if the stock lifters can't handle it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> that is going to be a problem cause I didn't really want to have to take the heads off unless I was putting better ones on.
Although you say 25k miles on stock lifters and no problems yet? How much do you race the car? What are the "normal" operating conditions of this motor?
Although you say 25k miles on stock lifters and no problems yet? How much do you race the car? What are the "normal" operating conditions of this motor?
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". Still dyno numbers for this cam? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
I'm seriously thinking about this cam to go with MTI Stage II LS6 heads. With those, QTP headers, and all the bolt-ons, might I expect better than 400 RWHP? Hmmmm.....?
I'm seriously thinking about this cam to go with MTI Stage II LS6 heads. With those, QTP headers, and all the bolt-ons, might I expect better than 400 RWHP? Hmmmm.....?
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by verbs:
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". has anyone actually CALLED TR and see what they have to say? it is their cam after all. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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Re: Found the ultimate "Old Man Cam". i got an email and jason from TR said they are scheduled to install one of these cams in an M6 so as to put out a dyno graph to the net and public. so i guess we will still have to wait.