How much gain with this cam?
always do springs, retainers and pushrods at the least
the smaller cam will be much more fun on the street because of the low end torque the bigger one will be a bit choppier ok low end but will dyno out better on the top end and will et better obviously. maby a 10 hp difference +or- with stock heads.
the smaller cam will be much more fun on the street because of the low end torque the bigger one will be a bit choppier ok low end but will dyno out better on the top end and will et better obviously. maby a 10 hp difference +or- with stock heads.
You do not need retainers. They are reccomended, but only "required" if you are going to be consistently carrying the RPM's past 6500. Pushrods are strongly reccomended, so is a new timing chain, depending on how many miles you have. The bare minimum of things you need would be the cam and springs.
hmm, both of those cams are small, i'd pick up an 03 ls6 cam over the first one and a tr220 114 over the 2nd one. honestly niether of them seem worth the swap :dunno:. i'd recommend the manly spring kit from SDPC2k (sponsor), its 178 and comes with springs rated to .600 (pretty much good for 90% of all cams out there) and tit retainers.
Originally Posted by Ferocity02
You do not need retainers. They are reccomended, but only "required" if you are going to be consistently carrying the RPM's past 6500. Pushrods are strongly reccomended, so is a new timing chain, depending on how many miles you have. The bare minimum of things you need would be the cam and springs.
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That depends on how you define a rough idle and how well you tune the PCM after the cam install. Any 224 cam with fast ramps like the C2 or TR224 will have a pretty decent idle quality IMO, especially if you get it with a 114 LSA. But none of them will idle exactly like the stock cam did.
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Verdad Gallardo you will hear a 224 if you know stock idle sound. but most will not notice it if you get a really good tune. also your exhaust will give it away if it is really free flowing and loud
I think you could have a subdued idle from most any cam as long as it would be on a 114 lsa. SLP has some I know. I just got a TSP 231/237 in my car this weekend and all Jayson suggested I buy were rods and springs, no timing chain or retainers. Even when I asked specifically he said not to worry with it.
BTW the springs he suggested were just comp 918's also.
BTW the springs he suggested were just comp 918's also.
Originally Posted by RobertR.
I think you could have a subdued idle from most any cam as long as it would be on a 114 lsa. SLP has some I know. I just got a TSP 231/237 in my car this weekend and all Jayson suggested I buy were rods and springs, no timing chain or retainers. Even when I asked specifically he said not to worry with it.
BTW the springs he suggested were just comp 918's also.
BTW the springs he suggested were just comp 918's also.
I wouldn't bother with retainers with cams this small. I'm not using any with my 224/224 .581/.581 112lsa. Anything larger than that (ie. .590 lift+), and I'd think about using them to lower the valvetrain mass.
My cam idles noticable with dumps, x pipe, longtubes. I would think that it'd be semi-tame with restrictive exhaust. My cam has similar stats to the C2 cam. If your looking for very little lope, I'd suggest tr220 114, or mti stealth cam II.
Good Luck,
My cam idles noticable with dumps, x pipe, longtubes. I would think that it'd be semi-tame with restrictive exhaust. My cam has similar stats to the C2 cam. If your looking for very little lope, I'd suggest tr220 114, or mti stealth cam II.
Good Luck,
Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
sounds like you are kinda pushin the limits. sounds fine for a daily car but wouldnt go with that on a track car
Thats just my $.02
Originally Posted by Taspeed
How bout this one. 207/220 .571/.578 118.5 LSA
Its a smoother idle but will net you close to the 400 mark at the wheels
Its a smoother idle but will net you close to the 400 mark at the wheels
Originally Posted by SMOKIN01TA
have a hard time imagining geting 400 out of that cam. thats a very large difference in the intake and exhaust 207/220. 207 isnt much over stock. hardly worth the trouble imo. stock is somewhere around 195/204 i think
" theres no way that cam is 400rwhp material. 
, i knew it was an LPE grind.
Originally Posted by Taspeed
actually that cam makes almost 410 in an m6 car and 393 in an a4. its the gt2-3