Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Titanium Valves 346...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 4, 2010 | 08:12 PM
  #1  
chrs1313's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,703
Likes: 13
Default Titanium Valves 346...

Who has had them, has anyone ever done a back to back my guess is not...anyone have a ballpark of what they would be worth on a 346 max effort h/c pump gas motor...

thanks
Reply
Old Feb 4, 2010 | 08:21 PM
  #2  
98blueSScamaro's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 1
From: Aurora IL
Default

I was waiting for this out of you bud...ahahahahahah...

Any input here is good input Guy's.... And post some pics of this build chris i am dyeing here know there i dont live so close....

Rob
Reply
Old Feb 4, 2010 | 10:41 PM
  #3  
NHRAFORMULA00's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 13
From: Manteno,illinois
Default

Well if you had a solid roller cam,you would be able to spin it to 7500 rpm and make power.Then you would need pistons and rods also,so.Any time you can stablize the valve train and keep it from floating,it would alow you to spin it higher.Uncle Rick trying to influence you a bit?
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 06:58 AM
  #4  
chrs1313's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,703
Likes: 13
Default

Originally Posted by NHRAFORMULA00
Well if you had a solid roller cam,you would be able to spin it to 7500 rpm and make power.Then you would need pistons and rods also,so.Any time you can stablize the valve train and keep it from floating,it would alow you to spin it higher.Uncle Rick trying to influence you a bit?
ha yes he is, he said he can get a pretty good deal on them with his discount...said for the big block in his shop he got them for 1200...so he didn't know what they would be for the 346...his big valves in his 466 are so damn light...got me thinking **** I paid 1200 or so for a fast intake setup that looks like a potato chip ( must have warped from the engine heat) i am sure they wouldn't help huge but an ewp for 600 gives around what 5 hp...just a thought...

spoke with tea and robz* car had them in it too...

they recommend that I not massage the heads saying they are pretty optimized now...I wanted to know if they wanted to tackle the job for me...guess they had some heads flow bigger numbers on the bench and not make the hp to back it up...hit or miss seems...

Last edited by chrs1313; Feb 5, 2010 at 07:03 AM.
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 06:59 AM
  #5  
SweetS10V8's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,580
Likes: 3
From: Michigan
Default

They would do wonders for valvetrain control!!!
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:48 AM
  #6  
Gordon0652's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,188
Likes: 2
Default

Don't some guys spin their motors near 8k with out TI valves? Though i have seen it done, but i could be wrong.
Reply
Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:48 AM
  #7  
chrs1313's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,703
Likes: 13
Default

Originally Posted by 98blueSScamaro
I was waiting for this out of you bud...ahahahahahah...

Any input here is good input Guy's.... And post some pics of this build chris i am dyeing here know there i dont live so close....

Rob
Rob I will post some pics soon…
dum
Brief summary…comp cam was supposed to come in on a 111+4 when I degreed it was 109.3+5 so off 1.7 degrees on the lsa pushing my dcr up higher…I could get it recut but I said fu$k it and just installed it retarded *2 to try and get the ICL closer to where it should be…that is why I always laugh when people recommend dot to dot…
dum
Heads were around 60-61cc and I had my uncle take off .025…when I measured one yesterday it was 57.5cc…I was hoping it was going to be around 56-57 but I am still okay with it…they can always be shaved more when I build the bottom end and get some dome tops
dum
I also have been optimizing my 1.75” qtp headers and porting the fast intake more along with alignment issues…I had to get some watercut gaskets to raise the intake up so the ports had a less restricted transition and matched up better…
dum
Threw a umi k member in and had the back a-arm bolt seize up in the bushings when I tried to removed the stock arms from the stock k member to the point a 3 lb sledge didn’t even budge them, so I had to get a used set off a member which should be here around Monday… dum
dum
Still have some ideas about lightening up the front end a hair with a fabbed up aluminum bracket to hold the radiator from below and cut the old one out along with the horns…hope to save around 8-10lbs there…also going to see what I can take out from the inside under the carpet…
dum
Just your everyday street car…
Reply
Old Feb 7, 2010 | 10:09 AM
  #8  
chrs1313's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,703
Likes: 13
Default

no one else...
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-5

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-9

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 02:51 AM
  #9  
Beaflag VonRathburg's Avatar
OWN3D BY MY PROF!
iTrader: (176)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 9,146
Likes: 3
From: Jax Beach, Florida
Default

I think the advantage over a hollow intake valve is only worth it as you go up in size. I am guessing in your chamber size and talking with TEA that you are running a TF 215 head. Price per dollar upgrading to hollow 2.04 intake valves versus a version would be a much better bet. I would also not run titanium exhaust valves. I've just happened to see quite a few of them fail and it is not a pretty sight. If you have the money to spend on them I say go for it. They are a proven performance enhancer. You may not see immediate horsepower gains, but the better valvetrain control, and less weight will enhance part life.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 08:16 AM
  #10  
Kurtomac's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,220
Likes: 0
From: Okinawa, Japan
Default

Chris...I spoke with Brian Tooley a while back about doing additional work to my heads...he recommended buying the light LS3 valves and cutting them down to size vs going Ti...said they would be much more durable and they about right about in between a Ti valve and the SS valves that come in the TFS heads weight wise. He also mentioned hand finishing the combustion chambers and doing a 50 degree exhaust valve seat that it makes a little more power
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 10:45 AM
  #11  
chrs1313's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,703
Likes: 13
Default

Originally Posted by Kurtomac
Chris...I spoke with Brian Tooley a while back about doing additional work to my heads...he recommended buying the light LS3 valves and cutting them down to size vs going Ti...said they would be much more durable and they about right about in between a Ti valve and the SS valves that come in the TFS heads weight wise. He also mentioned hand finishing the combustion chambers and doing a 50 degree exhaust valve seat that it makes a little more power
thanks for the info...I had speed inc send them an email on hand massaging the heads and haven't heard anything back 3 weeks later...also when I called can't remember who I talked to did seem like they wanted to touch the heads...so who knows...

just trying to gather alot of info before I bolt these on...thanks
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 11:07 AM
  #12  
5.3LJimmy's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,279
Likes: 1
From: Napoleonville, LA
Default

The titanium valves would need lash caps to protect the tips and most likely a custom spring retainer to allow clearance for the caps. I don't think you would see any more power unless your previous valvetrain was unstable and floating valves. Just use a good spring shimmed 0.050" from coilbind and check your rocker wipe pattern. Titanium valves are overkill for what you are trying to do.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 11:13 AM
  #13  
Kurtomac's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,220
Likes: 0
From: Okinawa, Japan
Default

brian at TEA told me the same...I pmed brian tooley on here for the info
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 06:06 PM
  #14  
chrs1313's Avatar
Thread Starter
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,703
Likes: 13
Default

the titanium valves have hardened tips...so no lash caps are needed...

anyone have them in their car...

all this is great info
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 07:17 PM
  #15  
Beaflag VonRathburg's Avatar
OWN3D BY MY PROF!
iTrader: (176)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 9,146
Likes: 3
From: Jax Beach, Florida
Default

Price per dollar I would go with hollow 2.04 intake valves and spend the rest of the money else where.
Reply
Old Feb 8, 2010 | 09:13 PM
  #16  
1SLwLS1's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,360
Likes: 0
Default

If this is max effort, lightweight valves are critical for valve float. I wouldn't think you would see any power, none that dyno variables could account for, just peace of mind. The gains had would MAX like 1-2 and for any chassis dyno, that is a margin of error from back to back runs without any modifications.

I know your springs and lifters would thank you.

EDIT: Wish I would of done some lightweight titanium valves when I had my heads off on the 799s. What I have now is the same stock weight valves as the 241s, but a ton more control as I dip higher and higher into the engine range

Last edited by 1SLwLS1; Feb 8, 2010 at 09:15 PM. Reason: adder
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:44 PM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE