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Old 03-30-2010, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fastvet
Mann, somebody aint getting any ***! ...either that or ur on ur rag. And my RWHP? C'mon. Thats my build. Not once have I talked about any car you have. A 224 cam and a 75shot on 410 gears isnt bad at all on my book!

Back to our little discussion(maturley this time)! I went back and freshened up on cam installs and it really doesnt matter if you line up the dots before or after. Bottom line is that at the end, they will have to be lined up. If you line them up before you take the cam off, you dont have to worry about it TOO much at the end cuz they will be pretty close to being lined up. Of course you may have to make minor adjustments. On the same token, you can just line them up at the end too. Either way is fine. As far as time efficiency, give or take a minute or two on either one.

no, it doesnt matter. you need to spin the cam anyways, in order for the keeper to catch the lifters.

if the engines on TDC, that helps, sure. but the position of the cam has nothing to do with that.

again,
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Originally Posted by joecar
It does matter... the firing order is not symmetrical across banks...

FO is 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3

Bank 1 sequence is: 1 7 5 3 or 7 5 3 1 (i.e. sequential).
Bank 2 sequence is: 8 2 6 4 or 2 6 4 8 (i.e. staggered).

You can't swap coil harnesses from side-to-side.

how do you tell them apart? to make sure they go on the correct side?
Old 03-30-2010, 10:14 PM
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4th time huh Merv? Must be airforce? Any way. Hope the OP will let. The jury of mechanics who's test is graded on a curve let us know what he found. Damn gremlins. They really muck things up
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First off, dosnt sound too much like you should of tackled a cam swap in the first place. People that know what they are doing do wonder's (your friend DOES NOT count). Second off. do not try to start your motor anymore until you get that timing cover off and check dots and turn the motor over a couple of times to make sure more than once!. Dissasembling the motor with dot's lined could make it easier in some sense becuase if you dont move the crank and put the cam in the same exact position then the chain will go back on if your lucky. But it does not take a rocket scientist to line up two dot's. I put together quad cam motor's all day at work which is so much fun! Ha. Your injectors should be fine for just a cam swap!. There are guy's running head's/cam on stock injectors(needs bigger ones but they do it all the time).
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Originally Posted by the_merv
Dots lined up when it comes apart..come on now..lol
As long as it goes together with the Dots in the proper location it's good.

You think the Engine waits till the Dots are in-line to scatter on the track?



haha.. precisely
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Originally Posted by tillery
4th time huh Merv? Must be airforce? Any way. Hope the OP will let. The jury of mechanics who's test is graded on a curve let us know what he found. Damn gremlins. They really muck things up
Yup..Active AF.

Lol at the graded on a curve part..
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some time if it make a back fire win u crank it its could be the cam shaft sensor

its happened 4 me once win i did a cam shaft swap
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Originally Posted by danbap
how do you tell them apart? to make sure they go on the correct side?
On the passenger side subharness, the wires have a white stripe.

I looked at the wire diagram, and I guess they are wired the same (pins B, C, F, G in the subharness connector)... so I was wrong, they should interchange side-to-side... but like the other poster said, that's not what I saw happening (and I made sure I plugged them in good)... so I don't know anymore...
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LOL at all you doof's yelling at each other stating that you're "ASE" cert'd. Honestly if you think that your ASE certs make you a mechanic god you really dont know much. I've seen some of the worst Techs that had their ASE's. \

OP tough luck, hope everything works out. Might think about getting different help in person.

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LOL @ some mis information in this thread.

I just hope all the bs didnt scare off the OP. And lol at people jumping on the bent valve(s) idea and just telling him to take it apart. Compression test works wonders. But if it was off that much I would be scared of bent valves, again to a compression test to diagnosis this.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by evil chevy
some time if it make a back fire win u crank it its could be the cam shaft sensor

its happened 4 me once win i did a cam shaft swap
Did you win?
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Originally Posted by VeTTeMaNC486
Did you win?
I won.
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Rent a leak down tester. You don't even have to have the cam in it, let alone spin it over, as you would have to do for a compression test.

Back all the rockers off, pull all the plugs out, and do a leak down test. You can do that with the engine torn half way apart.
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What's the idea behind that..to check for bent Valves?
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Originally Posted by the_merv
What's the idea behind that..to check for bent Valves?
The leak down?
Yes
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some people dont need wrenches ,like people some dont need guns
if you know what i mean
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Originally Posted by VeTTeMaNC486
The leak down?
Yes
That's what I figured..

Originally Posted by Davo346
some people dont need wrenches ,like people some dont need guns
if you know what i mean
You can take your Engine apart with your bare hands too?
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Originally Posted by joecar
On the passenger side subharness, the wires have a white stripe.

I looked at the wire diagram, and I guess they are wired the same (pins B, C, F, G in the subharness connector)... so I was wrong, they should interchange side-to-side... but like the other poster said, that's not what I saw happening (and I made sure I plugged them in good)... so I don't know anymore...
The sub harnesses shouldn't matter...if the engine harness isn't laying on the engine correctly, then the firing order will be all wrong...but if it's laying on there incorrectly, the fuel injectors are most likely plugged in wrong as well. When I swapped to my D585's, I noted that both harnesses for my old coil packs were identical (same wire colors and pinnouts) and the harnesses for my new coil packs were also identical to each other...just had the correct connectors for the D585's versus the stock LS1 F-Body coils.

Maybe the 98's are different...in that the subharnesses ARE unique...but 99+ they're not.
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Originally Posted by kmracer
i'd hope so. degreeing IS worth power, if they arent doing it, they're leaving power on the table.
Yes and no...degreeing to make sure the cam is correct...very important in my opinion...but if it isn't correct, you need an adjustable timing set to be able to do anything about it...or you need to send the cam back and demand a replacement...and you're also not able to look at the reluctor position on the end of the cam and degree it relative to the one on the back of the crank...so thats another place where there is some error.

I believe that is what a crank angle sensor error learn is for (CASE Learn), but I am not entirely positive of that.
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Originally Posted by the_merv
That's what I figured..



You can take your Engine apart with your bare hands too?
apparently you dont know what i mean


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