Cheater V3
04-12-2010, 10:31 AM
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Most people do not run the cheater cam because they are designed for stock exhaust manifolds... If you would of mentioned the fact your running longtubes to TR they probably would of recommend a different cam lol! The big split in duration(219-230) is to help with exhaust restriction... I was really researching this cam and came to the conclusion that it's not a optimal grind for a header car. I would contact geoff @ eps, they are making some killer power with those eps "lobes"' wich are very easy on springs.
04-12-2010, 12:40 PM
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Shane at thunder racing said i would gain even more power because of the LT's. I told him about my car and exactly what i wanted from it. I was considering doing some EPS lobes but when i tried talking with Pat G he didnt seem interested in helping me out unless i filled out his cam recomendation form and payed the $25.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
04-12-2010, 07:26 PM
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You can go right to eps directly and get a cam lol, you don't need pat... Geoff will spec it out for ya! I agree the cheatr v3 will still make more power with long tubes, but its a cam taylored for manifolds... meaning you could grind a cam similar to the cheatr but with more intake duration, wich will utilize your better flowing exhaust,, in turn will make more power and not give up any drivability... thats all.
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04-12-2010, 08:04 PM
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The CheaTR v3 has -9.5 degrees overlap at .050 lift. The most common cam I've seen recommended for emissions duty with LT's is 224/224-114, which has more intake duration (better cylinder filing) and gets away with a tighter LSA (-4 degrees overlap) and less bias towards the exhaust. I have also seen people run a little more duration on both with a wider LSA, but the cam above is considered the standard smog legal cam when that discussion comes up.
There is tons of free advice here from Patrick if you search for it. A guy could lose all of his free time if he replied to every PM for free cam advice. $25 makes it worth his while to get all the details and give an accurate recommendation.
He used to have a deal with Thunder, not sure if EPS does that.
Shane at thunder racing said i would gain even more power because of the LT's. I told him about my car and exactly what i wanted from it. I was considering doing some EPS lobes but when i tried talking with Pat G he didnt seem interested in helping me out unless i filled out his cam recomendation form and payed the $25.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
He used to have a deal with Thunder, not sure if EPS does that.
04-12-2010, 08:27 PM
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I wasnt trying to sound like an *** or anything when i said that about Pat. I was just saying how if im going to spend this kind of money on a cam package im going to go to a person who has good rep ( which Pat does ) and takes the time to listen and recommend me to a cam.
Now as for the Cheater V3 cam i think it will be a good cam for what im wanting out of it. Shane said i will see between 30 40 RWHP increase. So its right up there with some mild cams 224R, and 228R.
Now as for the Cheater V3 cam i think it will be a good cam for what im wanting out of it. Shane said i will see between 30 40 RWHP increase. So its right up there with some mild cams 224R, and 228R.
04-12-2010, 08:36 PM
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I am looking at this cam for my CTS-V. I will be running it with the stock manifolds which are less restrictive than the fbody manifolds and RT cats which are good for 10-15 hp. I want it sound like a cb/I car only when I pound the local m3 and rs4/s4 crowd. I am definately interested in seeing your results.
04-12-2010, 09:02 PM
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Shane said the idle will be a little rougher then stock. Noticeable difference on my car because of the LT's and High flow cats but for you it should be just a little rougher.
I cant wait to get it in man. It should have shipped today.
I cant wait to get it in man. It should have shipped today.
04-13-2010, 12:02 AM
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I actually posted this hoping someone on here already had the cam and some dyno numbers. As soon as i get it dynoed i will post numbers though. Shane said it would gain power everywhere so will find out how much.
04-13-2010, 07:51 AM
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Very interested in your results. From what I've heard it's basicly a tweaked GM hot cam. I was hoping someone would have chimed in also but I think some guys were a little hesitant of the V3 cause of the higher spring rate and the 224 is easier on them. The Cheater V3 is supose to work off idle to 6500 where the 224 comes in at a higher rpm.
are you working your heads at all for the spring rate?
Very interested in your results. From what I've heard it's basicly a tweaked GM hot cam. I was hoping someone would have chimed in also but I think some guys were a little hesitant of the V3 cause of the higher spring rate and the 224 is easier on them. The Cheater V3 is supose to work off idle to 6500 where the 224 comes in at a higher rpm.
are you working your heads at all for the spring rate?
04-13-2010, 08:35 AM
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Shane at thunder racing said i would gain even more power because of the LT's. I told him about my car and exactly what i wanted from it. I was considering doing some EPS lobes but when i tried talking with Pat G he didnt seem interested in helping me out unless i filled out his cam recomendation form and payed the $25.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
I wasnt trying to sound like an *** or anything when i said that about Pat. I was just saying how if im going to spend this kind of money on a cam package im going to go to a person who has good rep ( which Pat does ) and takes the time to listen and recommend me to a cam.
04-13-2010, 09:53 AM
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Now as for him being a go to go Guy for camshafts and other things I totally agree he is one of the best.
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Very interested in your results. From what I've heard it's basicly a tweaked GM hot cam. I was hoping someone would have chimed in also but I think some guys were a little hesitant of the V3 cause of the higher spring rate and the 224 is easier on them. The Cheater V3 is supose to work off idle to 6500 where the 224 comes in at a higher rpm.
are you working your heads at all for the spring rate?
Very interested in your results. From what I've heard it's basicly a tweaked GM hot cam. I was hoping someone would have chimed in also but I think some guys were a little hesitant of the V3 cause of the higher spring rate and the 224 is easier on them. The Cheater V3 is supose to work off idle to 6500 where the 224 comes in at a higher rpm.
are you working your heads at all for the spring rate?
