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04-13-2010, 08:31 PM
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I heard about this cam a few years ago but still have never seen or heard of anyone actually using it .... I'd like to see some results also .... I am considering a cam with a stockish idle also which still makes good power so this could be it .... Anybody know how much idle would be effected since I have Lts and ory because I want that sleeper stock idle as well 
04-13-2010, 08:42 PM
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Its not going to give you a sleeper idle with the LT's. You will have to do some very minor tuning if its an automatic car. It will be a little noticeable idle. Nothing extreme or choppy but if you our familiar with cars you will know.
04-13-2010, 08:51 PM
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As much as i love the sound of a lopey cam if i can get a cam that makes the same
hp & tq yet is less choppy and is more A4 friendly that's the one i'm going with. I've had 3 LS1 f-bodies and had different kinds of head and cam setups and i found out that i made only a few more hp with the TR224 cam over my old Comp. 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa cam.
Through my A4 with a Vig.3600 i dynoed 408rwhp and 397rwtq with a set of stage 1 241 heads and the 216/220 cam. The TR224 only gave me 5-6 rwhp and that was only at peak. And the smaller cam gave me alittle more tq in the lower rpm range. And since i had an A4 the 216/220 cam was more A4 friendly, but after i bought LS1-Edit (the only software available back in '02) i was able to get bigger cams to idle nice. If i ever get a chance to mod my '02 SS A4 i'm staying with a smaller cam like the Cheatr V3 cam. Since my car will be 99% street i don't need a cam that makes it's power above 6,500 rpm.
And the new GTP heads have a small intake runner, around 208-210 cc's and flow over 300cfm, with the Cheatr V3 and a Vig.3200 with longtubes, catback, ported TB should make for a strong running street setup with tons of torque. I like the TrickFlow 215's but the GTP ported 241's for $1,200 will have to do. Good luck to the OP with your plans.
hp & tq yet is less choppy and is more A4 friendly that's the one i'm going with. I've had 3 LS1 f-bodies and had different kinds of head and cam setups and i found out that i made only a few more hp with the TR224 cam over my old Comp. 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa cam.
Through my A4 with a Vig.3600 i dynoed 408rwhp and 397rwtq with a set of stage 1 241 heads and the 216/220 cam. The TR224 only gave me 5-6 rwhp and that was only at peak. And the smaller cam gave me alittle more tq in the lower rpm range. And since i had an A4 the 216/220 cam was more A4 friendly, but after i bought LS1-Edit (the only software available back in '02) i was able to get bigger cams to idle nice. If i ever get a chance to mod my '02 SS A4 i'm staying with a smaller cam like the Cheatr V3 cam. Since my car will be 99% street i don't need a cam that makes it's power above 6,500 rpm.
And the new GTP heads have a small intake runner, around 208-210 cc's and flow over 300cfm, with the Cheatr V3 and a Vig.3200 with longtubes, catback, ported TB should make for a strong running street setup with tons of torque. I like the TrickFlow 215's but the GTP ported 241's for $1,200 will have to do. Good luck to the OP with your plans.
04-13-2010, 09:09 PM
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I think 1 reason why you don't see too many people buying this cam or atleast
posting about is because a lot of guy think you need to run a big cam, and they try and tell you that a 230 cam idles like stock..lol. If you plan on shifting at 7,000 rpm or higher
and give up your driveability then a 228+ cam is what u want. It depends on your plans with the car. But don't let people talk you out of buying a smaller cam if that's what you want.
posting about is because a lot of guy think you need to run a big cam, and they try and tell you that a 230 cam idles like stock..lol. If you plan on shifting at 7,000 rpm or higher
and give up your driveability then a 228+ cam is what u want. It depends on your plans with the car. But don't let people talk you out of buying a smaller cam if that's what you want.
04-13-2010, 09:12 PM
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As much as i love the sound of a lopey cam if i can get a cam that makes the same
hp & tq yet is less choppy and is more A4 friendly that's the one i'm going with. I've had 3 LS1 f-bodies and had different kinds of head and cam setups and i found out that i made only a few more hp with the TR224 cam over my old Comp. 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa cam.
Through my A4 with a Vig.3600 i dynoed 408rwhp and 397rwtq with a set of stage 1 241 heads and the 216/220 cam. The TR224 only gave me 5-6 rwhp and that was only at peak. And the smaller cam gave me alittle more tq in the lower rpm range. And since i had an A4 the 216/220 cam was more A4 friendly, but after i bought LS1-Edit (the only software available back in '02) i was able to get bigger cams to idle nice. If i ever get a chance to mod my '02 SS A4 i'm staying with a smaller cam like the Cheatr V3 cam. Since my car will be 99% street i don't need a cam that makes it's power above 6,500 rpm.
And the new GTP heads have a small intake runner, around 208-210 cc's and flow over 300cfm, with the Cheatr V3 and a Vig.3200 with longtubes, catback, ported TB should make for a strong running street setup with tons of torque. I like the TrickFlow 215's but the GTP ported 241's for $1,200 will have to do. Good luck to the OP with your plans.
hp & tq yet is less choppy and is more A4 friendly that's the one i'm going with. I've had 3 LS1 f-bodies and had different kinds of head and cam setups and i found out that i made only a few more hp with the TR224 cam over my old Comp. 216/220 .525/.532 114lsa cam.
Through my A4 with a Vig.3600 i dynoed 408rwhp and 397rwtq with a set of stage 1 241 heads and the 216/220 cam. The TR224 only gave me 5-6 rwhp and that was only at peak. And the smaller cam gave me alittle more tq in the lower rpm range. And since i had an A4 the 216/220 cam was more A4 friendly, but after i bought LS1-Edit (the only software available back in '02) i was able to get bigger cams to idle nice. If i ever get a chance to mod my '02 SS A4 i'm staying with a smaller cam like the Cheatr V3 cam. Since my car will be 99% street i don't need a cam that makes it's power above 6,500 rpm.
And the new GTP heads have a small intake runner, around 208-210 cc's and flow over 300cfm, with the Cheatr V3 and a Vig.3200 with longtubes, catback, ported TB should make for a strong running street setup with tons of torque. I like the TrickFlow 215's but the GTP ported 241's for $1,200 will have to do. Good luck to the OP with your plans.
04-13-2010, 09:16 PM
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I think 1 reason why you don't see too many people buying this cam or atleast
posting about is because a lot of guy think you need to run a big cam, and they try and tell you that a 230 cam idles like stock..lol. If you plan on shifting at 7,000 rpm or higher
and give up your driveability then a 228+ cam is what u want. It depends on your plans with the car. But don't let people talk you out of buying a smaller cam if that's what you want.
posting about is because a lot of guy think you need to run a big cam, and they try and tell you that a 230 cam idles like stock..lol. If you plan on shifting at 7,000 rpm or higher
and give up your driveability then a 228+ cam is what u want. It depends on your plans with the car. But don't let people talk you out of buying a smaller cam if that's what you want.
That kind of response gets annoying you know. I think most of the guys doing those cams probably tune the car themselves and think everyone does the same.
04-13-2010, 09:25 PM
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Shane at thunder racing said i would gain even more power because of the LT's. I told him about my car and exactly what i wanted from it. I was considering doing some EPS lobes but when i tried talking with Pat G he didnt seem interested in helping me out unless i filled out his cam recomendation form and payed the $25.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
Now if Pat would have said something like " i can get you a cam with the power band and results your looking for. What engine do you have and what mods? "
If he would have said something like that to show he was interested in helping i would have given him the $25.
Thats just my opinion.
any LS based motor there's probably a cam that's already out there that's
close to the spec's and performance to a more expensive custom grind. But i see what u r saying.
04-13-2010, 09:30 PM
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show it's gains in higher rpms and you'll need a geared to death rear and/or a huge stall. I like the less is more approach, unless i have a gutted out track only car.
04-13-2010, 10:12 PM
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I just know on the street if i ran against LS1 f-body with heads and cam that were
larger than mine and i won or gave them a run for their money they couldn't believe
i only ran a 216/220 cam and on a stock 3.23 rear. The one guy i remember ran a 228/228 cam with huge runner heads or something. If we were racing 1/2 mile instead 1/4 mile i'm sure he would have taken me...lol But geeze i let off once we hit 100 mph. He did go by me once i let off...lol. We pulled over and talked for a while. I was shocked when i saw he only had the driver seat in the car..lol. And i had my full weight WS6
His cam did sound good, i had my borla capped and u couldn't even hear my cam..lol. I love stealth.
larger than mine and i won or gave them a run for their money they couldn't believe
i only ran a 216/220 cam and on a stock 3.23 rear. The one guy i remember ran a 228/228 cam with huge runner heads or something. If we were racing 1/2 mile instead 1/4 mile i'm sure he would have taken me...lol But geeze i let off once we hit 100 mph. He did go by me once i let off...lol. We pulled over and talked for a while. I was shocked when i saw he only had the driver seat in the car..lol. And i had my full weight WS6
His cam did sound good, i had my borla capped and u couldn't even hear my cam..lol. I love stealth.
04-14-2010, 12:10 AM
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Heard a buddies car today with the V3 and there is no indication there is any internal work done
slightly higher idle, even with the LM1 you can't tell the car is cammed
04 GTO
auto
K&N CAI
Headers/no cats/LM1
UD pulley
(Car made 392hp I don't know the TQ though.) Not bad at all in my opinion
Edited, did some research and found that these cams do 365-375rwhp
My friend is prob full of it
slightly higher idle, even with the LM1 you can't tell the car is cammed
04 GTO
auto
K&N CAI
Headers/no cats/LM1
UD pulley
(Car made 392hp I don't know the TQ though.) Not bad at all in my opinion
Edited, did some research and found that these cams do 365-375rwhp
My friend is prob full of it
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04-14-2010, 08:31 PM
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Heard a buddies car today with the V3 and there is no indication there is any internal work done
slightly higher idle, even with the LM1 you can't tell the car is cammed
04 GTO
auto
K&N CAI
Headers/no cats/LM1
UD pulley
Car made 392hp I don't know the TQ though. Not bad at all in my opinion
slightly higher idle, even with the LM1 you can't tell the car is cammed
04 GTO
auto
K&N CAI
Headers/no cats/LM1
UD pulley
Car made 392hp I don't know the TQ though. Not bad at all in my opinion
04-15-2010, 01:24 AM
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im a fan of the smaller grinds as well. I hate drivability loss. The first cam I thought bout getting was either the cheater or the 216/220 since thunder had a really nice dyno graph of the 216/220 it is a wise choice for stock heads. And would be nice on aftermarket heads with 1:8 rocker to bump up lift. After all cam searching I settled on the one in my sig for my 5.3 It runs really good still need some slight tuning. but that will get taken care of soon. The truck Idles close to stock most the time and lopes everynow an then. Truck has taken bigger cammed trucks countless times.
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