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Old 04-27-2010, 11:02 PM
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Default Home 241 head Porting (images fixed since PB lockdown)

So after tons of research and finding mixed reviews of head porting I decided to tackle doing some home porting on a set of 241's.

I used a mini die grinder and a mix of ferrous/non ferrous carbide bits. Then finshed with Sanding rolls 40/80 on the intake. 40/80/120/scotch brite on the exhaust. On the intake I removed the rocker arm boss, blended around the valve stem and took out maybe 20% of the ramp. Also blended the seats to the bowl and smoothed out the short side radius. I did not remove any material from the floor.

I had one intake and one exhaust flow'd at the machine shop since I didnt want to pay the 150 bucks they wanted to flow all of them.

I did not have them flow one of my stock ports to compare but I found some stock flow numbers and since they vary so much I've posted the highest and lowest I'd found. My numbers are with an ls6 intake and no exhaust pipe. The numbers I found for stock flow were with an ls6 intake but with an exhaust pipe.
(lowest stock)
int ex
.100" 61 52
.200" 120 99
.300" 174 129
.400" 212 154
.500" 220 164
.600" 231 171

(highest stock)
int ex(w/pipe)
.100" 62 55
.200" 136 101
.300" 186 135
.400" 223 160
.500" 236 171
.600" 242 179

(my heads)
int ex(w/o pipe)
.100" 65 56
.200" 136 102
.300" 198 134
.400" 236 164
.500" 259 174
.600" 272 179

you be the judge.

I'm happy with the gains
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:14 PM
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The 2nd and 4th shot show a hole in the side. That wasn't like anything important you punched a hole into was it? Do you have to repair it?
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I think they look nice man. What did you use to port them?
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Originally Posted by jkkaz
The 2nd and 4th shot show a hole in the side. That wasn't like anything important you punched a hole into was it? Do you have to repair it?
its where the rocker bolt comes through. Its common practice on these heads to remove the material there. Just use some sealant on the rocker bolt. All the pics I've seen of pro or cnc ported heads have this same hole exposed.

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I think they look nice man. What did you use to port them?
Carbide bits for porting.
Plus I bought a porting kit with sanding rolls and skotchbrite wheel attachments for the mini die grinder.
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You seem to have made a considerable gain in flow numbers, particularly if you didn't take much material out. I commend you on your boldness to tackle such an intimidating DIY project.

Also, how many hours did this take?
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They flow fairly well for home made my hats off to you. Way to take the bull by the horns and make things happen
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Originally Posted by squirts11
You seem to have made a considerable gain in flow numbers, particularly if you didn't take much material out. I commend you on your boldness to tackle such an intimidating DIY project.

Also, how many hours did this take?
I started to lose track after 20 hrs but a rough estimate, I would say about 35 hrs. Thats not including the 6hrs of practice I did on some spare junk heads before tackling these.
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Congratulations on tackling your 241's. They should pick up some power for you. What is your intake throat %? What is your bowl width? Did it have a valve job on it? I do think you'd be safe to open the bowl a bit more and widen the short side but you aren't stalling.. I just wonder what the fps is over that short turn. I'm working on a set of 853's (same port) and got 280's out of it so far with the stock valve job but I'm at 228 cc's. Did you have your runners cc'd? They look like they stayed pretty small.
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Originally Posted by Paint_It_Black
Congratulations on tackling your 241's. They should pick up some power for you. What is your intake throat %? What is your bowl width? Did it have a valve job on it? I do think you'd be safe to open the bowl a bit more and widen the short side but you aren't stalling.. I just wonder what the fps is over that short turn. I'm working on a set of 853's (same port) and got 280's out of it so far with the stock valve job but I'm at 228 cc's. Did you have your runners cc'd? They look like they stayed pretty small.
I didnt do any CC'n of the runners or even measuring of the bowl. Its the stock valve job, the machine shop just touched up the 45* and lapped the stock valves. I really didnt take much out of the runner itself. Just enough to take out the castings and remove the rocker boss. I even left the sharp angle that the cathedral makes at the intake opening of the runner as you can see here.
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That sharp angle is nothing to worry about. Air won't flow there, that's where the injector sits. This is a good example of K.I.S.S. and you should get some nice benefits from your work.
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Awesome job!

I've self-taught myself to port throttle bodies and intakes, but I'm still scared shitless to try a set of heads yet. I need to man up.
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What's your paypal and shipping address? Think I'll hAve a set if 241s heading your way soon!
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Good job.
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Very good job, I would like to try my hand on a set of these myself.
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Number's look good, I think it was well worth the amount of work you put into them.
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Originally Posted by Mart00SS


The only thing I would recomend is taking the flat drop off area away at the valve stem area shown in these pictures. You want to blend that area to flow around the stem. That alone is one of the best things you can do in the bowl area.
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
The only thing I would recomend is taking the flat drop off area away at the valve stem area shown in these pictures. You want to blend that area to flow around the stem. That alone is one of the best things you can do in the bowl area.
Debatable. There are people on both sides of that issue. I would be inclined NOT to do it on a 853/241 as that area of the bowl is very thin when that is removed and it's right under the spring pocket. I have personally hit easy 280's in an 853 casting with the swirl dam remaining in place. You can run less timing with that in place as well.
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
The only thing I would recomend is taking the flat drop off area away at the valve stem area shown in these pictures. You want to blend that area to flow around the stem. That alone is one of the best things you can do in the bowl area.

Yea I was on the Fence about really attacking the Swirl ramp. Some said yes some said no, with this being my frist set, I decided to leave it in and was pretty happy with the results. Maybe next time I'll attack it a bit more, maybe take about 50% of it out or so.
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Originally Posted by Mart00SS
Yea I was on the Fence about really attacking the Swirl ramp. Some said yes some said no, with this being my frist set, I decided to leave it in and was pretty happy with the results. Maybe next time I'll attack it a bit more, maybe take about 50% of it out or so.
Every one has there own opnion. But If you look at every set of over the counter head including a stage 1 heads there blended in that area to maximize flow.
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
Every one has there own opnion. But If you look at every set of over the counter head including a stage 1 heads there blended in that area to maximize flow.
These are Jantzer Heads and what I was modeling after. I have also seen some that slightly remove the ramp. Its just the way I decided to go.
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