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Old 01-09-2004, 02:50 PM
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Default Gains from going from 224/224 cam to 228/236 cam?

I'm thinking about going from a 224/224 .581/.581 112 LSA +4 cam to a 228/236 .585/.575 114 LSA cam. How much power am I looking to gain if any at all?
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Unless you are a hardcore racer I wouldnt bother. What heads are you running?
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Ported LS1 heads, w/ 2.02/1.57 valves.
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5-10hp. I went from a 224 5.60 lift on 112 to a 236/230 .600 lift on 111 and gained 20hp.
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You will be loosing overlap with the 114, but gaining 4 degrees of intake duration. Then again, the added exaust duration will add overlap, so you might break even on the overlap. All in all, if the only thing you gain is 4 degrees of intake duration, I'd say about 8 rwhp and a slightly better idle.
Calculations: (224+224)-(112x2)=0 degrees of overlap
(228+236)-(114x2)=4 degrees of overlap
If this is right, you will gain overlap also, so maybe 10-12rwhp.

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I had contemplated this swap myself....but am very pleased w/ the TR224. Not worth retuning and all for small SOTP gain. It is kinda nice to be "done". Well except for the 125 jets, 17" ET's and lift I am putting in....daughter has to park somewhere
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I had a 221/221 114 cam and switched to a 228/236 112 and picked up a couple tenths in the 1/4 mile about 2 mph.
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Originally Posted by jRaskell
I don't believe this is correct. The LSA is the angle between the Intake and Exhaust centerlines. with a 224 duration, your port opens and closes 112* before and after the centerline. So the Intake port closes 112* after it's centerline. The exhaust port opens 112* before it's center. The exhaust starts to open at the ICL and the intake closes at the ECL and the two centerlines are 112* apart, so there is 112* of overlap.

The 228/236 114. Intake closes 114* after it's centerline. the Exhaust port opens 118* before it's centerline. They are seperated by 114*. The Exhaust opens 4* before the ICL, and the intake closes at the ECL (114* after the ICL). 118* of total overlap.

So you have gained 6* of overlap from the 224 to the 228/236.

To the best of my knowledge. If I am mistaken, please correct me.
I don't think overlap numbers are supposed to be that high. The highest I have seen is on the GM grand am cup cam at 33*. Quick formula for overlap is: overlap= (Intake duration+exaust duration divided by 2) - (2 times the LSA) On the 224/112+4 cam the IVO is 4*, the IVC is 40*, the EVC is -4, and the EVO is 40*. Thus equaling 0* of overlap because neither valve is open at the same time.

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Sorry Beast, I was hoping I deleted my post before anybody responded. You are correct, I didn't think about it enough before finally posting, and realized my error after posting.
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LSA is degrees between ICL and ECL divided by 2. So on a 112 LSA, the ICL and ECL are 224* apart, not 112* apart. That was my error, and I didn't see that you were dividing the duration sums by two.
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I do plan on spraying the car. So you guys say at the most 10 hp?
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But will you gain more under the curve? Yeah 10 hp is cool at peak, but wonder if you will gain more anymore than 10 any where else?
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I say 5 rwhp down low and up to 10 at 4500+. You car will love the spray with that cam. It will react much better with the overlap.



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