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Hey guys,

I've tried searching and I haven't found a definitive answer - what are everyone's opinions on putting an LS3 rod in an LS1 build?

I heard they're lighter and stronger than the stock LS1 connecting rods, and considering I'm getting forged pistons and the rotating assembly balanced, why not?

FWIW, this is going on a moderate NA application (nothing wild) that will be on the road course for about 20% of the time. I'll be pairing up the connecting rods with Katech rod bolts regardless.

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Originally Posted by andrewdruiz
Hey guys,

I've tried searching and I haven't found a definitive answer - what are everyone's opinions on putting an LS3 rod in an LS1 build?

I heard they're lighter and stronger than the stock LS1 connecting rods, and considering I'm getting forged pistons and the rotating assembly balanced, why not?

FWIW, this is going on a moderate NA application (nothing wild) that will be on the road course for about 20% of the time. I'll be pairing up the connecting rods with Katech rod bolts regardless.

Thoughts?
I'd say they're definitely an upgrade. They are bushed for a floating pin so make sure the pistons have provisions for some way of securing those pins (ie spirolocks, c-clips, etc).

Since you're having the engine built, I wouldn't do the Katech rod bolts. You could use ARP 8740 or 2000 rod bolts and if the rods need to be resized, you could still have that done and pay about the same or less than what those Katech's cost.
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Originally Posted by KCS
I'd say they're definitely an upgrade. They are bushed for a floating pin so make sure the pistons have provisions for some way of securing those pins (ie spirolocks, c-clips, etc).

Since you're having the engine built, I wouldn't do the Katech rod bolts. You could use ARP 8740 or 2000 rod bolts and if the rods need to be resized, you could still have that done and pay about the same or less than what those Katech's cost.
Thank you!

The Katechs came with the engine I got, otherwise I would have gotten ARP's
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What is the part # for the LS3 rod? Say for a 2010?
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Are the LS3 rods the same length as the LS1 rods?

Is it a worth while upgrade on a standard bottom end?
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Originally Posted by S2VYSS
Are the LS3 rods the same length as the LS1 rods?

Is it a worth while upgrade on a standard bottom end?
Yes, they are the same length @ 6.098".

I don't think they're worth it unless you're already rebuilding the engine. In other words, I wouldn't rebuild the engine just to swap out those rods, but if I were building from scratch, I'd get them over the LS1 style.
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So they would be a worth while upgrade with a set of forged pistons if the budget doesnt stretch to include rods?
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Originally Posted by S2VYSS
So they would be a worth while upgrade with a set of forged pistons if the budget doesnt stretch to include rods?
Yes, I think so. Most forged pistons can be used with the floating pin design of the rods anyways, so that alone will save you the $50 or so to have a shop press in the pins for the LS1 rods, so they basically pay for themselves.
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Thanks for the answer mate, I think if I go to the trouble of forged pistons I might as well do it properly and do forged rods as well
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Originally Posted by KCS
Yes, they are the same length @ 6.098".

I don't think they're worth it unless you're already rebuilding the engine. In other words, I wouldn't rebuild the engine just to swap out those rods, but if I were building from scratch, I'd get them over the LS1 style.
My hp goals for my ls1 is around 600-650. Can the stock rods hold up to that?
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Originally Posted by Luis Saldana
My hp goals for my ls1 is around 600-650. Can the stock rods hold up to that?
I wouldn't feel to great about that with LS1 rods, but with the better floating pin LS rods, like in the later model engines, yeah 600-650whp is doable. That's assuming you have a good tuner.
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Originally Posted by KCS
Yes, they are the same length @ 6.098".

I don't think they're worth it unless you're already rebuilding the engine. In other words, I wouldn't rebuild the engine just to swap out those rods, but if I were building from scratch, I'd get them over the LS1 style.

what bearings etc. would I need to do the ls3 rods in ls1?
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They use the same bearings.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
They use the same bearings.
thank you! That what I was thinking but couldn’t find anything definitive online
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10 year old thread ......... keep in mind floating rod and pistons combo is going to heavier need to rebalance too .


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