RAGEman

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Similar numbers, yes, but different setups (lighter shorter-geared rear-ends, open headers, lightweight flywheels, driveshafts). I'm not taking away from any other shops' accomplishments, either. I just think Lou deserve LOTS of credit for this cam, and I'm glad most of you agree. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

AMS

I would also like to state, that I have done 2-3 back-to-back dynotest with a 3.73 10-bolt, switching to a 3.89 9 inch with 35 spline axles, and a detroit locker. 3rwhp differance each time.

Chris

LG Motorsports

Don't forget the torque curve! the reverse split cams all have low torque, and just hit a peak number.
Our G5X-2 package reached 463.9 rwhp, and 430rwtq. The torque is what produces the 330' times, and if you don't have torque, the car has to wait to get through the low part of the curve before it can start moving.

So don't downplay torque just because you can't get it. Horsepower sells engines, Torque wins races!

LG

RAGEman

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Well, JF WS6, since Lou knows infinitely more about stuff than I do, when he says SLP longtubes are restrictive, I believe him. Comparing the header collector alone to that of FLP/Dynatech/Grotyohann makes it pretty obvious that they're restrictive. Then there's the length of the primaries...sure they're equal, but are they long enough? I personally feel like running open Dynatech headers with high-flow merges would pick me up AT LEAST 15 HP. Then if I were to run an aluminum flywheel, carbon fiber driveshaft, 10-bolt rear w/3.42's, a bit more work on the TB, a bigger MAF, underdrive alternator pulley, perhaps some more time on the dyno with LS1-Edit, who knows? Point being, sure there are others out there with bigger numbers, but you have to look at all the details/variables.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AMS:
<strong> I would also like to state, that I have done 2-3 back-to-back dynotest with a 3.73 10-bolt, switching to a 3.89 9 inch with 35 spline axles, and a detroit locker. 3rwhp differance each time.

Chris </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, isn't that interesting? Lou, you have a stock rear we can throw in my car so I can get on the dyno and see what I lost through the 9"?

Jason99T/A

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong>Just another cam that put out 463+rwhp on more than one car, and just another cam that Jason from thunder has gone to great lengths to find out the specs on. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Lou, I could care less what the specs were on your cam and sure have not gone out of my way to learn them. For you to come on here and even imply that is total BS.

RAGEman IMd me last night asking for exhaust advice on his car and was wondering about the concept of the reverse split. I mentioned to him that his cam was probably not a reverse split and more than likely a tradtional split. Now that you have brought this all out into the open, it's obvious that the specs were right. I will not divuldge the source of this information since I have no wish to harm any other members of this board. I was just trying to help RAGEman and now I look like the bad guy. I told your customer, who has your cam, your specs. Never, at any time, did I post anything concerning your cam specs on the board.

Yes, my car is down right now. Everyone knows this. This is the price you pay for trying some new stuff and I'm perfectly content with that. The bottom line is the car went 10.59@128 on it's first track outing.

Jason

Silver BeaSSt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> ByByc5,
You say, "If you would have posted the specs, I wouldn't have had to worry about this".

So what you are saying is that, If LG just would have made it easy for the other vendors to get the specs, they would not have had to resort to these tactics????
What I didn't want to do is DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM. And it seems that they didn't want to do their work either. They would rather sneek around and get our specs because they are LAZY. And CANNOT achieve gains without a real tuner's help.

Any way you look at this, it is a sad situation that these LS1 vendors, who claim to be so enlightened, are really just copy cats, who cannot Lead, but only follow.

The internet is like Socialism. Take away from thoes who can , and give to those who can't or won't. There is no reward for taking the lead, if the fruits of someones labor is just handed to the deadbeats who won't carry their load.

So now it is up to you all here to decide who you are going to spend your money with. The Company who is trying to improve the quality of your hotrods, or the companies who sit on their butts and wait to pick the fruits from someone elses tree, rather than plant their own.

Now you will know when you see cams like ours.

Call LG Motorsports to order your G5X-2 from the source. 972-272-7753

Thanks
Lou Gigliotti LGM </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">so you are saying that LG is the only company capable of doing R&D and coming up with a good product? You may have come up with a good cam but there are several LS1 shops that made incredible strides to continually raise the bar for us enthusiast. It's not like you discovered electricity or something, it is a cam and if you have a deep undersatnding of how these motors work and have the right resources you can do wonders.

RAGEman

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Okay, well, at least Lou now knows for sure that I didn't go against my word. I really hope we can solve this without either company being hurt. For whatever reason, SOMEONE went behind Lou's back, and it's not very cool. No one has POSTED the specs yet, but I know for sure that people in Waco know now, and they have revealed their source as Thunder Racing. So it doesn't look like Thunder really intended to keep the specs to themselves. The specs coming out on the board is just a matter of time. Thunder may not have done anything wrong, but SOMEONE did. Someone is dishonest. And that sucks for those of us that are honest, because now Lou doesn't know who to trust. Let's please resolve this matter ASAP.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Silver BeaSSt:
<strong>]so you are saying that LG is the only company capable of doing R&D and coming up with a good product?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, he isn't. Where did you get that from?

bigSS

I have the G5X1. I love it because previously you had to have a reverse split to put down big numbers. Now, I can have the big numbers and have a cam thats VERY nitrous friendly at the same time (because its a standard split). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[evil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

Fireball

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Please keep this civil...shop bashing between the 2 named shops will be grounds to lock this thread down <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

JC

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AMS:
Well...I tuned a several....I have made 408rwhp with a Thunder 230/224 cam...in a car that had a 98 shorblock, heads, z06 intake and mac headers.

Chris </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This would be moi! Thunder Racing makes great cams and I will always buy the newest and baddest cam they put out. I'm waiting for them to top the TR230/224 cam. Hurry up TR! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[worship]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

Silver BeaSSt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> So now it is up to you all here to decide who you are going to spend your money with. The Company who is trying to improve the quality of your hotrods, or the companies who sit on their butts and wait to pick the fruits from someone elses tree, rather than plant their own.


</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">right there

Constrictor 98TA

Wow...what drama! I think we need to call Judge Judy! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

In all seriousness, I personally dont care who makes it, if one company comes up with a great cam that puts out great numbers, then they'll get my money. In the end, having more companies make these great cams only helps the LS1/LS6 community and thats all that matters.

In my opinion, now that Lou is going to sell his product over the internet, he will probably get more money because he is no longer limited to the people close enough to drive to his shop. Theres plenty of us HP hungry LS1ers all over the US who just want the best for our cars.

I really don't care about this whole debacle, but it allows me to get a cam that's putting out great numbers, and that reason, and that reason alone, I will buy this cam.

As for the numbers of the cam, Im not expecting them to be posted in this thread, but if I understand it correctly, Jason figured out the numbers and told RageMan privately? So, in reality, the only people that know the numbers are Jason, Rageman and Lou? To me, that doesn't sound like that big of a deal. Or am I missing something here?

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Silver BeaSSt:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LG Motorsports:
<strong> So now it is up to you all here to decide who you are going to spend your money with. The Company who is trying to improve the quality of your hotrods, or the companies who sit on their butts and wait to pick the fruits from someone elses tree, rather than plant their own.


</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">right there </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think he meant it that way, but I'll let him answer for himself.

KECHME

Lou, I find it funny that whether it be Cartek or Thunder racing or FAStech, you are always the victim of some deadbeat company that steals your superior knowledge. I deal with Thunder racing and have dealt with Cartech in the past, and both companys do there own research and continually come up with excellent products for thier consumers. Since you say they are "morons", I'll just take your word on it that you are the only "real" inovator out there and all of these other competitors are just idiots that only hit on good combos by chance or theft. Who will be next? I would be willing to wager it will be the next company that one ups the magical G5X1437834432978 - 273647 cam. Lou, while we are on the subject lets discuss "R&D" of a cam shaft. What goes into that process? Assuming that you install your pants like everyone else that means that you call a cam grinder of your prefrence, at this point you have a game plan. You take an educated guess at what you think would be the perfect Cam for the application at hand and order a cam or two or three. When the cams come in you install them under controlled conditions and you have found your new cam, or you go back to the drawing board. You simply repeat this process until you are happy with the results. This being said, there is very little room for adjustment when comparing to other cams that are on the market now. We are to the point now where P to V clearance is the limiting factor. So unless you have developed a beruvium plated iridium core camshaft that installs itself whilst giving you sexual pleasure all at the same time, I would suggest you call MENSA and tell them you are no longer a registered member.

Silver BeaSSt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong> Lou, I find it funny that whether it be Cartek or Thunder racing or FAStech, you are always the victim of some deadbeat company that steals your superior knowledge. I deal with Thunder racing and have dealt with Cartech in the past, and both companys do there own research and continually come up with excellent products for thier consumers. Since you say they are "morons", I'll just take your word on it that you are the only "real" inovator out there and all of these other competitors are just idiots that only hit on good combos by chance or theft. Who will be next? I would be willing to wager it will be the next company that one ups the magical G5X1437834432978 - 273647 cam. Lou, while we are on the subject lets discuss "R&D" of a cam shaft. What goes into that process? Assuming that you install your pants like everyone else that means that you call a cam grinder of your prefrence, at this point you have a game plan. You take an educated guess at what you think would be the perfect Cam for the application at hand and order a cam or two or three. When the cams come in you install them under controlled conditions and you have found your new cam, or you go back to the drawing board. You simply repeat this process until you are happy with the results. This being said, there is very little room for adjustment when comparing to other cams that are on the market now. We are to the point now where P to V clearance is the limiting factor. So unless you have developed a beruvium plated iridium core camshaft that installs itself whilst giving you sexual pleasure all at the same time, I would suggest you call MENSA and tell them you are no longer a registered member. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">lmfao

RAGEman

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Ahh, crap. Not you too, Sean. SON OF A!!!

Do you honestly not think anyone will copy his cam?

L4m3r

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KECHME:
<strong> So unless you have developed a beruvium plated iridium core camshaft that installs itself whilst giving you sexual pleasure all at the same time, I would suggest you call MENSA and tell them you are no longer a registered member. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">screw they specs... if you can make me a cam that gives me a reach around im all for it <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

jpolser

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Has a vendor ever copied another vendor's cam?