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Old 11-19-2014 | 09:15 AM
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Why would anyone want more horsepower? That is crazy talk!
How much hp gain are we talking abt here? It is worth the reliability and comfort of hydraulic roller with frequent valve lash adjustment ect ect.
Old 11-19-2014 | 11:24 AM
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Havent touched my lash in 2 yrs. Granted I dont drive it much but it does get driven hard. In fact probably time to ck the springs
Good rockers or better yet shaft rockers there will be no adj needed....if theres some obvious lash its time to ck the lifters for wear
The bushed ones out are pretty nice no needle bearings to go bad
Hr are common as they have come a long way...and are cheap.

Love solids nothing like em. Not for everyone though
Old 11-19-2014 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
How much hp gain are we talking abt here? It is worth the reliability and comfort of hydraulic roller with frequent valve lash adjustment ect ect.
Now days if you check your lash once a year it probably hasnt changed. Some people go longer than that. The solid lobes will almost always make more power than hyd roller lobes. Though i have done some HYD roller motors turning 8000rpm. I would almost always opt for a solid roller if its an option regardless of the setup.
Old 11-19-2014 | 12:38 PM
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Now days if you check your lash once a year it probably hasnt changed. Some people go longer than that. The solid lobes will almost always make more power than hyd roller lobes. Though i have done some HYD roller motors turning 8000rpm. I would almost always opt for a solid roller if its an option regardless of the setup.
One of my employees is going on 7 years and 15000 miles NO adjustment. I have a 2010 LS3 Low Lash Solid Roller with 3000 miles on it so far. The valve noise is 0 the injectors make more noise than the valve train. It does Jesel Roller Rockers. The springs will need changing before you need a valve adjustment.
Old 11-20-2014 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kip Fabre
One of my employees is going on 7 years and 15000 miles NO adjustment. I have a 2010 LS3 Low Lash Solid Roller with 3000 miles on it so far. The valve noise is 0 the injectors make more noise than the valve train. It does Jesel Roller Rockers. The springs will need changing before you need a valve adjustment.
Kip, I remember you telling me about those at my last job. I still need to get us set up with you. I'll be giving you a call soon.

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Old 11-20-2014 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CravenPerformance
Now days if you check your lash once a year it probably hasnt changed. Some people go longer than that. The solid lobes will almost always make more power than hyd roller lobes. Though i have done some HYD roller motors turning 8000rpm. I would almost always opt for a solid roller if its an option regardless of the setup.
Has someone ever dyno it and compare the power gain? I'm not questioning you. Im just curious
Old 11-20-2014 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
Has someone ever dyno it and compare the power gain? I'm not questioning you. Im just curious
It will not be big numbers if the valve motion is close to the same until the HYD lifters float then the solid will keep on reving. The solids seam to accelerate a little better. The Low Lash solid cams we make are much quiter than most HYD cams.
Old 11-20-2014 | 01:13 PM
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im rebuilding my ls3 in my GTO and I want to put new valve lifters in. i have the truck motor in it and it has 2 different types of valve lifters. is their a way i can put all the same valve lifters and get a different plastic piece?

here is a link to my post thank you
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Old 11-22-2014 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Lars
im rebuilding my ls3 in my GTO and I want to put new valve lifters in. i have the truck motor in it and it has 2 different types of valve lifters. is their a way i can put all the same valve lifters and get a different plastic piece?

here is a link to my post thank you
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Why don't you just get the trey lifter that way you don't have to worry about the lifter tray.?
Old 11-22-2014 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
Why don't you just get the trey lifter that way you don't have to worry about the lifter tray.?
??? You mean link bar lifters?
Old 11-22-2014 | 05:40 PM
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I know multiple people running solid roller on the street with zero issues. if setup correctly solid roller is very reliable and great for power.

I like the Isky ez roll lifters.

Old 11-22-2014 | 07:05 PM
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I am running a low lash solid roller cam from Kip at cam motion and love it. Set it once and forget about it. It's quiet, revs higher and quicker plus it definitely makes more power than my equivalent hydraulic did. It's absurb to think that a solid roller cam is just old 90's technology. LOL the benefits are numerous; less noise, faster and higher rpm capability, more torque and no fear of a collapsed lifter. The low lash solid lobe design by cam motion doesn't require stupid spring pressures so you can use BTR double springs. The only drawback if you consider it one is you need good adjustable rockers for setting lash but you can offset the rocker cost somewhat because lifter cost is typically reduced.
Old 11-23-2014 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by svede1212
??? You mean link bar lifters?
Yes. Lol. Brain fart!
Old 11-23-2014 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
Yes. Lol. Brain fart!
So what do I need to do as far swapping to souls lifter besides getting a solid cam? Do I need to replaced the stock rockers as well? Valves?
Old 11-23-2014 | 07:22 AM
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You will need everything that is required for a typical aftermarket hydraulic cam swap: camshaft, lifters, matching springs, proper length pushrods and adjustable rockers. The only thing over and above a hydraulic cam that is required are adjustable rockers to be able to set lash and either spacers or valve covers to clear the rockers.
Old 11-23-2014 | 07:43 AM
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Cam Dynamics has good results with their newish low lash solid cams.
Old 11-23-2014 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
Cam Dynamics has good results with their newish low lash solid cams.

I think you meant Cam Motion and I agree, the results are very good
Old 11-23-2014 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by high impact
I think you meant Cam Motion and I agree, the results are very good
Any advantages over the standard Solid Roller? I know both will require shaftmounted rockers, but what about overall power and torque?
Old 11-24-2014 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BOLO
Any advantages over the standard Solid Roller? I know both will require shaftmounted rockers, but what about overall power and torque?
The advantages are quiter valve train, easier on valves, valve seats, springs, and lifters. Less maintenance. Less valve bounce. Very little power difference. We have had customers with 20,000 on there set up with no valve adjustment.
Old 11-25-2014 | 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kip Fabre
The advantages are quiter valve train, easier on valves, valve seats, springs, and lifters. Less maintenance. Less valve bounce. Very little power difference. We have had customers with 20,000 on there set up with no valve adjustment.
I don't see a solid lift cam category on your website or solid lifters either.


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