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Old 12-18-2012, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LeanPocket
426 through a 12 bolt and stall sounds about right..
My car is a manual.
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Go back and look at the pics I posted of those heads from tsp and AI. Besides the heads not performing like they should have my beef was also with the cnc work. If u look at the intake and exhaust ports u will see the d ports on the ai look like d ports and the intake ports are cnc but still look like the factory design. the prc heads dports dont look like dports and the intake side looks nothing like the factory design. To me the ai heads are more detailed when it comes to their cnc program. To me that shows they took the time to get as much out of the heads as possible. I really feel the ai heads are the best being there heads with smaller valves they will out perform at the track and out perform on the flow bench The PRC cnc head.
AI LS6s flow 300cfm @ .600 and TSP LS6 stage 1s flow 313cfm @ .600

However, they both put down similar numbers on a dyno.

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Originally Posted by 427LS7HCI
AI LS6s flow 300cfm @ .600 and TSP LS6 stage 1s flow 313cfm @ .600

However, they both put down similar numbers on a dyno.
what's important is power under the curve. How do their low and mid lift numbers compare?
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by big dave
what's important is power under the curve. How do their low and mid lift numbers compare?


No ****! But not much of a notable difference between them.
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Originally Posted by big dave
My car is a manual.
missed that..

good times tho!
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I can say this, when I installed 226cc 799s (coming from stock 241s and stock 799s) from AI the midrange increase in torque was insane.
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
I can say this, when I installed 226cc 799s (coming from stock 241s and stock 799s) from AI the midrange increase in torque was insane.
When I switched from factory 241s to TSP stage 1 243s it made a HUGE difference also, I picked up 5 mph.

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Just saw the difference between the stage 1 and 2.5 from TSP seems like the only difference in price is from the larger valves in the stage 2.5 and the springs... And the flow #'s actually look better on the stage one on the intake side, and a bit better on exhaust on the 2.5's.

Is there any pros to running a larger valve as opposed to running the OEM valves?
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Originally Posted by adamantium
Just saw the difference between the stage 1 and 2.5 from TSP seems like the only difference in price is from the larger valves in the stage 2.5 and the springs... And the flow #'s actually look better on the stage one on the intake side, and a bit better on exhaust on the 2.5's.

Is there any pros to running a larger valve as opposed to running the OEM valves?
Larger valves always tend to increase flow. However some will argue if the price and labor is worth the small if any noticeable gain. Comparing the TSP stage 1 to the stage 2, looks like the flow is greater with larger valves.

I can tell you it puts more $$ in AIs pocket by re-grinding the stock valves and the customer doesn't really suffer from it and actually has better PTV clearance.

Customer preference....
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Originally Posted by badazz81z28
Larger valves always tend to increase flow. However some will argue if the price and labor is worth the small if any noticeable gain. Comparing the TSP stage 1 to the stage 2, looks like the flow is greater with larger valves.

I can tell you it puts more $$ in AIs pocket by re-grinding the stock valves and the customer doesn't really suffer from it and actually has better PTV clearance.

Customer preference....
I prefer the stock valves because I prefer velocity over flow and I dont have to worry about shrouding.
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Originally Posted by badazz81z28
Larger valves always tend to increase flow. However some will argue if the price and labor is worth the small if any noticeable gain. Comparing the TSP stage 1 to the stage 2, looks like the flow is greater with larger valves.

I can tell you it puts more $$ in AIs pocket by re-grinding the stock valves and the customer doesn't really suffer from it and actually has better PTV clearance.

Customer preference....
Our PRC stage 2.5 LS6 heads use stainless steel 2.02"/1.57" valves, and they come standard with our PRC .650" dual valve spring kit with titanium retainers. Our stage 1.0 LS6 heads use the factory 2.00"/1.55" valves, which are NEW valves and castings. We certainly will machine a customer's core cylinder heads if they send them to us, but we will not sell any heads using used castings. You're re-working parts with 100,000+ miles on them, and you do not get to set all clearances up properly. Parts wear over time, and unless you install new guides, they're going to be on the loose side with you're dealing with the high mileage cylinder heads. Our stage 1.0 LS6 heads are setup to offer better-than-factory p-to-v clearance, but it's not from grinding the valves. We can accommodate as large as our MS3 cam with our PRC stage 2.5 LS6 heads, and you can go as large as our MS4 cam with our PRC stage 1.0 LS6 heads. The clearance difference is simply in the valve diameters. The 2.5 LS6 heads are better suited for the customers wanting every last ounce of flow, as well as for those looking at high combustion chamber temps (i.e. boost or N2O). When you compare our PRC stage 1.0 LS6 heads and PRC 2.5 LS6 heads, you're talking $110 price difference with all options the same. The $1,199.99 price of the stage 1.0 LS6 heads is with a factory spring kit in place. It's $290 to upgrade to our .650" dual spring kit on the stage 1.0's, which is standard on our 2.5 LS6 heads.

We have excellent results for both the PRC stage 1.0 and stage 2.5 LS6 cylinder heads. You're right in that the added money for the stage 2.5's comes down to personal preference.
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