Quickest/easiest most effecient way to gain a solid 40-60 rwhp? No nitrous..
07-12-2012, 12:36 PM
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again, i was just go with a cheaper version of getting the power, thats all.
That on the high end of AI full CNC territory right there.
I agree that if he wants a cheap 15rwhp to try and port your own heads if you have the time and skills. But when looking for 40+rwhp it's best to leave head porting to the professionals...and that ain't cheap ($1000+)
07-12-2012, 01:15 PM
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im assuming he's on a budget. if u notice everything i posted, that can be done with less than $200. Yes it is time consuming but with little cash thats not a bad route for power. Now if it were me, i'd say cam, heads, headers w/ cutout and a tune. that will give u @100 rwhp. Not to mention all the other bolt ons. But it looks like he is looking for just a couple horsepower. Everyone knows he can pop in a MS4 cam with a tune and call it a day reaching over 40hp. or some PRC 215's with gutted cats and cometic gaskets, but thats pricey. again, i was just go with a cheaper version of getting the power, thats all.
07-12-2012, 01:40 PM
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to each their own with foolish advice. and camshafts have been installed on cars without headers. do some research before u judge. I've got two builds and r pretty freaking fast cars. dont tell mee u wouldnt pay $400 for a cam, another 400 for a tune at a shop and get awesome results out of it with little money? again, this is for more power less money. ur advice was over $1000 dollars and he wouldnt have near the power im talking about. so keep ur comments to urself. let the gy who posted draw his own conclusion
07-12-2012, 02:25 PM
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to each their own with foolish advice. and camshafts have been installed on cars without headers. do some research before u judge. I've got two builds and r pretty freaking fast cars. dont tell mee u wouldnt pay $400 for a cam, another 400 for a tune at a shop and get awesome results out of it with little money? again, this is for more power less money. ur advice was over $1000 dollars and he wouldnt have near the power im talking about. so keep ur comments to urself. let the gy who posted draw his own conclusion
Full exhaust,tune and intake swap will get you close OP. Leave your MAF alone. Sans headers not too hard to do and not expensive to tune. Plus your MPG will improve a tad.
07-12-2012, 03:19 PM
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Who the hell installs a 400 dollar cam, and doesn't do oil pump ($160) timing chain and gears (72) and all associated seals and bolts?
Easiest and cheapest way OP is what I and about 5 others have already mentioned. And leave the MAF alone. Any tuner worth his socks will tell you the same.
Easiest and cheapest way OP is what I and about 5 others have already mentioned. And leave the MAF alone. Any tuner worth his socks will tell you the same.
07-12-2012, 05:22 PM
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dont tell mee u wouldnt pay $400 for a cam, another 400 for a tune at a shop and get awesome results out of it with little money?
That might be the worst $/hp or hp/effort ratio on the planet, heck even a lid gains as much power and is half the price and takes 20 minutes to install as apposed to 4 hours.
And if you do know of any cam that can be installed with NO other supporting mods and gets awesome results (aka >30rwhp) please share with us cuz we're all dying to know.
07-12-2012, 11:29 PM
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First off , Redtan ur an idiot. get off my nuts and just respond to the OP. where in the world did i say "cam package?" And i can tell ur somewhat of a rook cuz u dont need hardened pushrods. In my Vette i have a 224 cam with stock pushrodd pushing 40,000 miles on it spraying 150 at the track. ur post was a waste of time to read. second my boy is running stock oil pump in his vette with a 228 cam. is the ls6 cam needed yes, but it isnt showing issues and it dony go below 25 psi and when he revs it the guage goes up. LS6 oil pump is recommended but u can do without if u dont have a big cam. not bashing anyone of the rest of u all just the nuthuggers that dont take time to see the other half of the equation. the OP asked if a cam would help. all of u said no. while the correct answer is no without the supporting mods, the other answer is yes u can add a cam as long as u change the crank bolt, timing chain, springs, etc. can u run a cam on stock exhaust manifold, yes! cut the cats and he already has borla exhaust. is running a cam like that recommended, no, not by a race enthusiast, but it can be done if money is a variable. some of u guys need to stop acting like the only way to do things is by the book. look around at other cars that r put together half assed and see how they run. my opinion is my opinion, i got two cars to back that **** up with. Anyone else that want to talk trash about my advice can stop swinging on my nuts and respond to the OP.
07-13-2012, 06:32 AM
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Trust me, nobody is "swinging" on your nuts.
But for you say it's ok to run a cam on stock pushrods is nothing short of foolish.
I emplore you to take a close look at pic #10 in this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ads-build.html
That's a bent stock PR, on a stock cam. It's happened more times than I can count. This is just the most recent thread that comes to mind.
But for you say it's ok to run a cam on stock pushrods is nothing short of foolish.
I emplore you to take a close look at pic #10 in this thread.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...ads-build.html
That's a bent stock PR, on a stock cam. It's happened more times than I can count. This is just the most recent thread that comes to mind.
07-13-2012, 07:09 AM
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First off , Redtan ur an idiot. get off my nuts and just respond to the OP. where in the world did i say "cam package?" And i can tell ur somewhat of a rook cuz u dont need hardened pushrods. In my Vette i have a 224 cam with stock pushrodd pushing 40,000 miles on it spraying 150 at the track. ur post was a waste of time to read. second my boy is running stock oil pump in his vette with a 228 cam. is the ls6 cam needed yes, but it isnt showing issues and it dony go below 25 psi and when he revs it the guage goes up. LS6 oil pump is recommended but u can do without if u dont have a big cam. not bashing anyone of the rest of u all just the nuthuggers that dont take time to see the other half of the equation. the OP asked if a cam would help. all of u said no. while the correct answer is no without the supporting mods, the other answer is yes u can add a cam as long as u change the crank bolt, timing chain, springs, etc. can u run a cam on stock exhaust manifold, yes! cut the cats and he already has borla exhaust. is running a cam like that recommended, no, not by a race enthusiast, but it can be done if money is a variable. some of u guys need to stop acting like the only way to do things is by the book. look around at other cars that r put together half assed and see how they run. my opinion is my opinion, i got two cars to back that **** up with. Anyone else that want to talk trash about my advice can stop swinging on my nuts and respond to the OP.
07-13-2012, 07:26 AM
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First off , Redtan ur an idiot. get off my nuts and just respond to the OP. where in the world did i say "cam package?"
There are two ways to give advice: actually giving it by suggesting something or debunking retarded advice others might try to give him. By saving him the headache and wasted $ that would happen because of your advice, I am in fact giving him advice.
You go on with your magical 224 cam and stock pushrods through stock exhaust and self ported heads. Others want to do things the right way, and if by that we are being "rooks" well so be it. We are rooks with more reliable engines that make more power for cheaper than you non-rooks.
07-13-2012, 10:46 AM
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First off , Redtan ur an idiot. get off my nuts and just respond to the OP. where in the world did i say "cam package?" And i can tell ur somewhat of a rook cuz u dont need hardened pushrods. In my Vette i have a 224 cam with stock pushrodd pushing 40,000 miles on it spraying 150 at the track. ur post was a waste of time to read. second my boy is running stock oil pump in his vette with a 228 cam. is the ls6 cam needed yes, but it isnt showing issues and it dony go below 25 psi and when he revs it the guage goes up. LS6 oil pump is recommended but u can do without if u dont have a big cam. not bashing anyone of the rest of u all just the nuthuggers that dont take time to see the other half of the equation. the OP asked if a cam would help. all of u said no. while the correct answer is no without the supporting mods, the other answer is yes u can add a cam as long as u change the crank bolt, timing chain, springs, etc. can u run a cam on stock exhaust manifold, yes! cut the cats and he already has borla exhaust. is running a cam like that recommended, no, not by a race enthusiast, but it can be done if money is a variable. some of u guys need to stop acting like the only way to do things is by the book. look around at other cars that r put together half assed and see how they run. my opinion is my opinion, i got two cars to back that **** up with. Anyone else that want to talk trash about my advice can stop swinging on my nuts and respond to the OP.
Nice job with the name calling and more bad advice....FAIL
07-13-2012, 10:59 AM
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Wow. Just wow.
I have never pulled a lsx engine apart without at least 2 bent stock pushrods.
Porting heads not only requires time and knowledge but the tools aren't cheap either. He is more likely to do harm than good. Not to mention the cost of gaskets, head bolts, etc.
I have never pulled a lsx engine apart without at least 2 bent stock pushrods.
Porting heads not only requires time and knowledge but the tools aren't cheap either. He is more likely to do harm than good. Not to mention the cost of gaskets, head bolts, etc.
07-13-2012, 11:24 AM
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Wow. I love how a guy asks a question and gets to read through a bunch of bickering.
Anyway, to the OP, you can see there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. Some ways aren't as reliable or "by the book" as was said before. My opinion is to do headers, ory, lid, ported tb. You could get it tuned for a few more hp, but it isn't necessary for those mods. If you want to go further get a cam, with the supporting mods, and tune it up. Lots of M6 cars making at, near and over 400 rwhp cam only.
Anyway, to the OP, you can see there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. Some ways aren't as reliable or "by the book" as was said before. My opinion is to do headers, ory, lid, ported tb. You could get it tuned for a few more hp, but it isn't necessary for those mods. If you want to go further get a cam, with the supporting mods, and tune it up. Lots of M6 cars making at, near and over 400 rwhp cam only.
07-13-2012, 01:07 PM
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TSP 1 7/8" Stainless Steel Headers = $499 (texas speed website)
TSP SS Y-Pipe (Non-cat) = $149
LS6 Intake = $350 (classifieds)
Frost Tune = $149
Don't forget all misc. expenses. And enjoy
Also, wrong subforum? Why add heads or cam if your bottlenecked at your headers & y-pipe?
Edit: Start considering a clutch upgrade and a new rear-end too.
TSP SS Y-Pipe (Non-cat) = $149
LS6 Intake = $350 (classifieds)
Frost Tune = $149
Don't forget all misc. expenses. And enjoy
Also, wrong subforum? Why add heads or cam if your bottlenecked at your headers & y-pipe?
Edit: Start considering a clutch upgrade and a new rear-end too.
