How would you have this built block fixed?
11-12-2012, 10:45 PM
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I'm going to give you some advice...GO SOMEPLACE ELSE! You are going to get cornholed again from these dummies! You think they are going to a better job FIXING a job they should have easily got right the in the first place? For that kind of damage to accur only a complete MORON could make such a mess. Betcha you could have done better at home on the garage floor! I'd be getting my 1800 dollars back and a used block OR i'd be getting an ATTORNY! I hate machine shops almost as much as I hate private contractors and doctors!<FARKIN CROOKS
I have a rule with machine shops....if there isn't a 3 week wait on ANY work I go someplace else. Good machine shops are SWAMPED with work.
I have a rule with machine shops....if there isn't a 3 week wait on ANY work I go someplace else. Good machine shops are SWAMPED with work.
Last edited by Camaroo1; 11-12-2012 at 10:51 PM.
11-13-2012, 10:17 AM
#22
I gave them the option of a refund plus a used block back. They want to try to correct the issue by starting the build over. I would lose more than $1800 in legal fees if I decided to go with an attorney anyway. Plus how do you prove this stuff in civil court? Very difficult since all they did was the machine work and I installed everything. It would be a crapshoot and totally dependent on who the judge is on that given day.
So, crossing my fingers build #2 goes well. I know they built a lot of ls1s for other people on this very forum just fine, so maybe my build was just a fluke. We all make mistakes, so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. I am just thankful they are at least owning up to it and working with me. I have read about other horror stories on here where the shop refuses any liability and the customer is out a motor AND all their money.
So, crossing my fingers build #2 goes well. I know they built a lot of ls1s for other people on this very forum just fine, so maybe my build was just a fluke. We all make mistakes, so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. I am just thankful they are at least owning up to it and working with me. I have read about other horror stories on here where the shop refuses any liability and the customer is out a motor AND all their money.
11-13-2012, 10:27 AM
#24
Agree. It is not just the $1850 I am out. It is the price of buying head gaskets and bolts twice. Not to mention pulling a motor out of a C5 twice...it is a tall order. Imagine if I wasn't doing the labor on the engine swap. What a nightmare that would be for me.
I already purchased ARP everything just in case this happens again.
I already purchased ARP everything just in case this happens again.
11-13-2012, 11:56 AM
#29
The way we did it on the lift is we dropped both front and rear cradle and rolled out the tranny, torque tube, and motor as a unit. Since the heads and intake are already off, the car doesn't have to be that high to get it out, so I can do it on high jack stands.
I do not have a cherry picker, so this is the only way I can do it.
I do not have a cherry picker, so this is the only way I can do it.
11-13-2012, 12:29 PM
#31
Yup, it isn't too bad at all really. Just a ton of disassembly work.
I already had a fire sale and sold all my mods just to cover my *** financially in case this 2nd motor doesn't work out. They were already off the car so I figured now was the best time.
Sold headers, ported AI 799s, FAST 90, LS2 TB, 227/235 cam, UDP. The car made 460 RWHP and trapped 125 before I popped #7 at the track. It was a damn fun car for 18k miles on that setup.
Now it will have stock 241s, ls6 intake, and a C6Z exhaust system. Fun times
But this is all just a precursor to bolting on a novi 1500 kit
. All I want now is a reliable motor, I do not care about power right now.
I already had a fire sale and sold all my mods just to cover my *** financially in case this 2nd motor doesn't work out. They were already off the car so I figured now was the best time.
Sold headers, ported AI 799s, FAST 90, LS2 TB, 227/235 cam, UDP. The car made 460 RWHP and trapped 125 before I popped #7 at the track. It was a damn fun car for 18k miles on that setup.
Now it will have stock 241s, ls6 intake, and a C6Z exhaust system. Fun times
But this is all just a precursor to bolting on a novi 1500 kit
. All I want now is a reliable motor, I do not care about power right now.
11-14-2012, 01:21 PM
#32
wait did you assemble the motor? You said you paid them to, but then said all they did was the machine work, that changes things.
Either way, if they bring up knurling pistons and honing to clean that damage up. Thats not a good sign
I would not let them do any more work.
If your selling off mods to pay for this, your out of funds, and dont really need the forged motor anyway. I would put a good running used short block in it. And see about getting you money back, or if they what to buy the stuff them fucked up. There not going to, they know its junk, and hope you dont come back after the 3rd time.
You dont want to hear this, but look at what you have.
A LS1 block thats at 3.905 thats not going to clean up with any more honing. It didnt have a tq plate, so there not round, and they have some taper. I've spend some time on a sunnen hone on LS1s and been shown what the tq plate dose, and how much the bore changes with and without the clamped force. With the plate clamped, un clamping it, and after a engine has been run with and without a plate. It matters.
Those 2 cly is just the damage you know about, and have found so far. Its gona have more, if you want to find them, or hope the shop "lets you know" what else they find going on. It was assembled dirty, and the clearances were to tight.
So it need 2 sleeves at least, price that up. And think about what you have, and how much money your gona have into this block, and how good its been "fixed"
Its a shelf piston so you can get 2, but there a good chance your going to need to get more then that. But with 500miles on them you shouldn't have to. And you still need a good block to pout this in. It sucks man.
Either way, if they bring up knurling pistons and honing to clean that damage up. Thats not a good sign
I would not let them do any more work.If your selling off mods to pay for this, your out of funds, and dont really need the forged motor anyway. I would put a good running used short block in it. And see about getting you money back, or if they what to buy the stuff them fucked up. There not going to, they know its junk, and hope you dont come back after the 3rd time.
You dont want to hear this, but look at what you have.
A LS1 block thats at 3.905 thats not going to clean up with any more honing. It didnt have a tq plate, so there not round, and they have some taper. I've spend some time on a sunnen hone on LS1s and been shown what the tq plate dose, and how much the bore changes with and without the clamped force. With the plate clamped, un clamping it, and after a engine has been run with and without a plate. It matters.
Those 2 cly is just the damage you know about, and have found so far. Its gona have more, if you want to find them, or hope the shop "lets you know" what else they find going on. It was assembled dirty, and the clearances were to tight.
So it need 2 sleeves at least, price that up. And think about what you have, and how much money your gona have into this block, and how good its been "fixed"
Its a shelf piston so you can get 2, but there a good chance your going to need to get more then that. But with 500miles on them you shouldn't have to. And you still need a good block to pout this in. It sucks man.
11-14-2012, 01:42 PM
#33
I paid them to machine AND assemble my motor. All I did was bolt everything else onto it (heads, tranny, oil pan, etc). I did not touch the inside of it. I do not know how to build a block, that is why I paid them to do everything. There is zero chance I did anything to cause this issue short of dropping a screw inside not one, but two bores. Obviously, I did not do that since there is no mark on the pistons or the heads.
If your selling off mods to pay for this, your out of funds, and dont really need the forged motor anyway. I would put a good running used short block in it. And see about getting you money back, or if they what to buy the stuff them fucked up. There not going to, they know its junk, and hope you dont come back after the 3rd time.
With all that being said, I wish I could go back and just do a basic rebuild with stock parts. That was my original plan and it would have only cost $800. I am sure a basic hone and re-ring would have gone fine. But then I got these grand aspirations of "yeah let's build it stronger!". And now look what I got. Oh well, too late now.
Those 2 cly is just the damage you know about, and have found so far. Its gona have more, if you want to find them, or hope the shop "lets you know" what else they find going on. It was assembled dirty, and the clearances were to tight.
So it need 2 sleeves at least, price that up. And think about what you have, and how much money your gona have into this block, and how good its been "fixed"
So it need 2 sleeves at least, price that up. And think about what you have, and how much money your gona have into this block, and how good its been "fixed"
Last edited by mchicia1; 11-14-2012 at 01:47 PM.
11-18-2012, 10:37 PM
#39
The fact they bored it without plates and then suggested knurling pistons says that even when they are doing their best it is not right. If it were just a couple scratched bores from rings that never got deburred, that is a mistake, this story is way beyond that.