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Old 12-03-2012, 02:49 AM
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Default Needing some cam spec advice

Hey guys so I need help deciding.

Obviously you can all see my current mods in the description. I have everything I need for my cam swap... except the cam..

I have two in mind. for the longest time I have thought the Torquer V2 was the cam for me 232/234 .595/.598 113 LSA

But.. I have been trying to make this the ultimate budget build, I have bought used injectors, dual valvesprings, hardened pushrods, retainers and a new ls2 timing set.

Someone on here offered me a cam that was never used
specs are 237/242 duration .595 .595 lift on 114LSA

What im trying to figure out is what cam will make more power, be easier to tune, all the pro's and cons. I would rather have a little lower lsa than 114 cause I kinda like the big block chop and would like to move the power down lower but on the other hand my car is a DD and if 114 would be better for that than im all for it. (ive never owned a cammed car)

obviously I have to buy the V2 new cause I cant find a used one.. I can pick up the other cam for only 150 bucks!

I would seriously appreciate any input
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I would use the Torquer v2 cam because that is a well known all around good cam. I would try to find more information on the other cam before of even thinking about offering money for it.
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Well all I can tell you is that drivability with my Torquer 2 is really good, and that's on a 112 LSA. I can cruise in 6th (or any gear) at like 1500 rpm with no bucking or surging.
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the torquer 3 is a little better then the torquer 2
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Originally Posted by garygnu
the torquer 3 is a little better then the torquer 2
What is better about it? if you wouldnt mind being specific
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Well all I can tell you is that drivability with my Torquer 2 is really good, and that's on a 112 LSA. I can cruise in 6th (or any gear) at like 1500 rpm with no bucking or surging.
So ive heard.. I mean the specs are pretty close for both cams.. the cheap one has little bit longer duration. but how does duration effect power ect.. I know what lsa will do but im not too familiar with how to judge a cam by its specs yet.
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Originally Posted by Jarren_b
So ive heard.. I mean the specs are pretty close for both cams.. the cheap one has little bit longer duration. but how does duration effect power ect.. I know what lsa will do but im not too familiar with how to judge a cam by its specs yet.
Duration holds the valves open longer which since an engine is an air pump
this tends to raise the rpms or powerband effectiveness. There are dozens of
contributing factors but without complicating it too much for ya...I'd stay on
the conservative (smaller)side. Both of your cam choices are 30-35 degrees
larger than stock and both would love at least a full point of compression
ratio increase to maximize the power gains. You haven't mentioned your trans
M6 or A4 ???? You have decent gears but will need a 3600-4000 stall torque
converter to work with those cams.
The Texas Speed 228R is considered one the best all around street friendly
daily driver cams. Perhaps you can find a used Thunder Racing 224 which was
also a very popular streetable cam and if it's on a 112 lobe separation, will
give you that bumpy idle you're after. Here is one more great choice for you.
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...1-ls6-engines/

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I have a comp cam that I believe is very similar, or the same as the torquer 2. It has a sweet sounding idle, and runs awesome! Also drives great!
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To add to A.R. Shales post, our 226/230 114+4 also makes for a docile street cam.

Off the top of my head without looking at the numbers I'd shoot for something like 227/234 112+2.
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Originally Posted by A.R. Shale Targa
Duration holds the valves open longer which since an engine is an air pump
this tends to raise the rpms or powerband effectiveness. There are dozens of
contributing factors but without complicating it too much for ya...I'd stay on
the conservative (smaller)side. Both of your cam choices are 30-35 degrees
larger than stock and both would love at least a full point of compression
ratio increase to maximize the power gains. You haven't mentioned your trans
M6 or A4 ???? You have decent gears but will need a 3600-4000 stall torque
converter to work with those cams.
The Texas Speed 228R is considered one the best all around street friendly
daily driver cams. Perhaps you can find a used Thunder Racing 224 which was
also a very popular streetable cam and if it's on a 112 lobe separation, will
give you that bumpy idle you're after. Here is one more great choice for you.
http://www.tickperformance.com/tick-...1-ls6-engines/
My car is an M6.. Im just trying to get 400whp.. thats my goal but its hard to do at 4500 feet elevation.. which is why I was trying for the V2 cause its a little more nasty than most daily driven cammed cars.. I will be doing ls6 heads and intake as well
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I like my Torquer V2. Tuning wasn't bad and it had just the chop I was looking for. Pulls pretty good, I can feel where it added a little more power on top than it did everywhere else.
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Originally Posted by Rauq
I like my Torquer V2. Tuning wasn't bad and it had just the chop I was looking for. Pulls pretty good, I can feel where it added a little more power on top than it did everywhere else.
How high does it pull? I dont want to have to pull to 7k to make all the power I can. I dont want to go past 6600
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With my heads and LS6 intake I peak around 6200-6300, and hold flat till 6800 where the rev limiter kicks in
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I think the size of the TSP Torquer 2 would be the biggest cam i would run in a daily driver. My first and only cam was an old 230/227. I have never rode in a cammed car, and it drove like stock with a nice chop to it. And i could have easily drove a Torquer 2. I would definitely run with the T2.

Also, i would not buy any used cams. Get your cam new.
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Originally Posted by Jarren_b
How high does it pull? I dont want to have to pull to 7k to make all the power I can. I dont want to go past 6600
Never put it on a dyno, I street tuned it myself. I have my limiter at 6400 and it doesn't seem to fall off.
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You need compression at that altitude.
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Do you guys think the streetsweeper HT would be better? than the V2 im just concerned about keeping all my power low so I dont have to rev to the moon and since I have stock heads I was thinking that a shorter duration would be better for me. I just want to be extremely happy with my cam choice and make as much power as possible since its a pretty big job..
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Well keeping all power down low, and making as much power as possible is a contradiction in terms lol I mean you have to trade a little to get a little if you know what I mean. With that said, would you ever be upgrading the heads and/or intake? If definitely not then maybe something a tad smaller than the V2 might be a little more of what you are looking for. Something with a slightly tighter duration and/or LSA. Just a thought...
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Well keeping all power down low, and making as much power as possible is a contradiction in terms lol I mean you have to trade a little to get a little if you know what I mean. With that said, would you ever be upgrading the heads and/or intake? If definitely not then maybe something a tad smaller than the V2 might be a little more of what you are looking for. Something with a slightly tighter duration and/or LSA. Just a thought...
Well in two months ill be doing ls6 instake and an 85MM TB.. just waiting for my friend to sell me his off his car and yes I definitely plan on doing ls6 heads as well.. just might not be for 6 months or so.. with that being said I dont want to buy a cam that is necessarily perfect for stock heads or one that will be **** without better heads.. maybe something in the middle.. I want to be able to take advantage of the ls6 heads.. but I dont want my car to be a pain until I do that.. The v2 didnt look all that crazy to me but would still leave me some room to grow? am I totally wrong in thinking that?
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Well considering that you are in fact looking at some different heads I then stand by my previous statement about the V2. Like I said it has great drivability, and the 4.10's make it that much better IMO


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